--- Log opened Tue Apr 12 00:00:26 2016 00:00 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@252.178-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 00:01 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@252.178-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:04 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:38b6:856a:cff1:2af6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- xrr is now known as aedla 00:20 -!- aedla [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:21 -!- aedla [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:21 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ioytifkrwjsyojhy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:45 < pasky> ("back when i was 23 i didn't succeed because i was too old"?) 00:47 < pasky> https://deepspaceindustries.com/team/ not sure if your typical startup lineup :) 00:59 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.aaroncake.net/projects/12vminicompressor.htm 00:59 < yoleaux> Mini 12V Air Compressor 00:59 < nmz787_i> Do you plan to sell this compressor? "At the moment, no, I have no plans to develop this as a commercial product. If you really want one, I could probably make you one. The cost would be somewhere around $250, there would be no warranty, and it would take 6 months before I ship. Email me if you are interested." 00:59 < nmz787_i> heheh 01:02 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:03 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:11 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:18 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:38b6:856a:cff1:2af6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@45.42.8.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:39 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:22 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ioytifkrwjsyojhy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:14 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjqvdnudzxlnbllv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:02 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:13 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.208.252] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.208.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:26 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fiamhasbwruelqfl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 < kanzure> https://www.fastcompany.com/28121/they-write-right-stuff 08:40 < archels> "A pound of thrust is how much thrust it would take to keep a one pound object unmoving against the force of gravity on earth." 08:40 < archels> geez guys, just switch to metric already 09:09 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:21 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjqvdnudzxlnbllv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:27 < maaku> archels: that would be a more complex explanation (newtons vs kilograms) 09:29 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11474002 09:29 < yoleaux> Notes on Google's Site Reliability Engineering Book | Hacker News 09:30 < kanzure> "This reminds me of Nygard's point in Release It! that your theoretical best SLA is the product of your dependencies' SLAs, e.g. 0.999 * 0.999 = 0.998. But in the world of microservices, this logic seems likely to make you underestimate your uptime." 09:30 < kanzure> "Regarding "theoretical best", I think that is "in the absence of mitigations". I think you can build a service with a higher SLA than one of its dependencies, but only if you recognize that impedance mismatch and build in defenses." 09:30 < kanzure> "Building reliable services out of unreliable dependencies is a part of what we do. At the lowest level, we're building services out of individual machines that have a relatively high rate of failure, and the same basic principles can be applied at every layer of the stack: make a bunch of copies, and make sure their failure modes are uncorrelated." 09:51 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 < kanzure> http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html 10:03 < archels> maaku: one Newton is the force required to accelerate a 1 kg object at a rate of 1 m/s² 10:03 < maaku> archels: whereas lbs is a unit of force so the mapping doesn't involve gravitational constants 10:04 < archels> "the force of gravity on Earth" is about as bad as Fahrenheit being defined with respect to "human body temperature" 10:06 < xentrac_> it's awfully convenient for calculations of things that happen on Earth 10:07 < xentrac_> I mean there are a large number of small forces that are generated by the weights of masses 10:07 < xentrac_> fortunately 10m/s² is within 2% of the correct acceleration 10:10 < xentrac_> http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/yuri-milner-zuckerberg-starshot-interstellar-centauri/477669/ seems perhaps relevant here, although reaching Alpha Centauri doesn't really take us to posthumanity in any meaningful way 10:10 < xentrac_> it seems likely that they'll want to make significant advances in related technologies though, things like MNT (although they seem to not be counting on that) 10:11 < xentrac_> also it is wonderful that Freeman Dyson is meaningfully still alive 10:15 < maaku> esmerelda: the disruptive business plan was a property and futures market for space resources, compliant with international space law 10:15 < Betawolf> they're planning on earth-based laser propultion 10:16 < maaku> ...why Alpha Centauri? 10:16 < maaku> there are *really* interesting, possibly habitable star systems just a few light years further, which doesn't add much to the travel time 10:17 < Betawolf> brand recognition, I guess. People have heard of AC. 10:18 < xentrac_> they're hoping to do other, more likely habitable star systems a few years later 10:19 < Betawolf> "Breakthrough Listen, will invest $100 million over 10 years in the most comprehensive and sensitive search ever undertaken for evidence of civilizations beyond Earth" "Breakthrough Listen, will invest $100 million over 10 years in the most comprehensive and sensitive search ever undertaken for evidence of civilizations beyond Earth" 10:19 < maaku> Bernard's Star would have been my choice 10:20 < Betawolf> woops, second was meant to be "Breakthrough Message is a $1 million annual prize for digital messages representing Earth and humanity, that could be decoded by another civilization.". Anyway, he's an alien-chaser. 10:20 -!- jtimon [~quassel@4.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:32 < archels> what's everyone's favourite text/code editor? currently using an old version of sublime2, it's not bad 10:33 < maaku> vim or emacs 10:34 < archels> not a chance 10:34 < archels> notepad++ is my pick on Windows, but it doesn't emulate very well via wine 10:35 < archels> ideally it's something that runs well on Linux 10:35 < xentrac_> yeah, vim or emacs 10:35 < xentrac_> although I tolerate Eclipse for the Java project 10:35 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- andreh [~andreh@2804:7f3:8485:d028:4172:8bb5:af20:e48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:f9e:19bf:3543:a0ff:b083:4de6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:f9e:19bf:3543:a0ff:b083:4de6] has quit [Changing host] 11:04 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:07 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:15 < nmz787_i> archels: I use a mix of sublimeText (3 I think, whatever the free beta was/is), PyCharm (both win and linux), and notepad++ (win) 11:16 < kanzure> "also it is wonderful that Freeman Dyson is meaningfully still alive" yes this is convenient 11:17 < xentrac_> http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html/2 seems to be a new popularization of the Singularity thesis 11:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-110-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-110-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.114.250.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:54 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12 -!- n00bster [~n00bster@bzq-79-176-83-53.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- Nerio [~n00bster@unaffiliated/nerio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:25 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:43 < pasky> Hey, I'd like to ask for a second round of startup-naming suggestions, if you could take a peek at our revised list - http://pastebin.com/PaxtYffC (hopefully last, sorry for the bothering!) 12:43 < pasky> mainly if something sounds really bad (or really good!) to you 12:44 < nmz787_i> ailao sounds like an AI company that is Laotian-based 12:44 < pasky> hmm, doesn't have to be a too bad thing i guess :) 12:45 < nmz787_i> we.are.ai seems pretty good, but also english-focused (you mentioned czech people not remembering the current name, so I assume you want to make it easier for them, seems they're the target market) 12:45 < kanzure> pasky: name yourselves "cognitive containment" 12:45 < pasky> nmz787_i: i think everyone relevant in cz will understand that one :) 12:45 < nmz787_i> the other names don't really make sense/ring-a-bell for me... monk.ai seems a bit strange, as I think of monks as being pretty secluded/cloistered 12:46 < pasky> we think of them as these martial arts zenbuddhist monks that take care of any task patiently 12:46 < pasky> but good point! 12:46 < nmz787_i> genius.ai was taken? 12:47 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:47 < pasky> yep 12:47 < nmz787_i> dang, and no one wants simply "supersmart.ai" 12:47 < pasky> haha 12:47 < pasky> a bit childish i guess 12:47 < archels> pasky: Permanent Brain 12:48 < pasky> kanzure, archels: (thanks - i'll run these by my partner; they aren't bad, though i'm not that excited about them either :) 12:49 < kanzure> massivegenius.com is still available 12:49 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:50 < kanzure> pasky: use http://leandomainsearch.com/ 12:52 < pasky> hmm my partner used something similar, all of them have .ai available, .com available is sorta bonus since mostly everything is taken there 12:52 < pasky> oh sorry misunderstood how it works from the front page :) 12:53 < pasky> RedHotMind.com ? 12:55 < kanzure> noticed a company the other day launched a small marketplace for "bots", intended for integrations between saas tools 12:55 < kanzure> the pitch seemed to be something like, "use our product because otherwise you will suffer the consequences of platform lock-in from whatever platform you originally wrote your bot for" 12:55 < kanzure> obv. this is for things that are not bots (like basic messaging applications) 12:56 < kanzure> but helpful part is using standard marketplace and standard interface for different implementations 13:13 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:16 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26 -!- andreh [~andreh@2804:7f3:8485:d028:4172:8bb5:af20:e48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 < xentrac_> I guess http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html is actually Tim's real attempt to popularize the Singularity 13:35 < maaku> pasky: honestly the only one that stands out is monk.ai 13:36 < pasky> I think for us it's a lot about finding the balance between standing out and not feeling ashamed of ourselves when we say the company name ;) 13:36 < maaku> xentrac_: it's Tim's attempt to regurgitate bostrom 13:36 < pasky> but maybe standing out is more important 13:36 < pasky> not sure... we'd like to stand out with our products, but of course that's rosy-glasses optimism 13:37 < maaku> pasky: you need a narrative. your name will come from and evoke that narrative 13:38 < xentrac_> maaku: yeah, or Eliezer 13:38 < xentrac_> but it ended up more readable than either of them, despite his fuzzy grasp of some of the details 13:42 < maaku> xentrac_: bostrom regurgitates eliezer. it's many layers of recycled vomit by now 13:44 < maaku> pasky: factoid I haven't seen anyone use yet (but your current name reminded me): the Chinese character for 'love' 愛 is pronounced AI 13:44 < xentrac_> I think he predates eliezer's thinking in some ways 13:52 < cluckj> "progress" is pretty ill-defined 13:56 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:58 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:03 < pasky> maaku: yeah, it's also in japanese, but we aren't terribly romantic types; i agree with your point, but we spent so many hours on this already... and google, kaggle or skype didn't have a narrative either 14:04 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@bzq-79-178-224-167.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 < maaku> pasky: why do you mean? google absolutley has a narrative, and their branding comes straight from it 14:05 < xentrac_> Sky hype! 14:05 < xentrac_> Googol 14:05 < maaku> a word that simultaneously represents incomprehensible amounts of data, and child-like playfulness 14:05 < maaku> it totally feeds into their narative 14:06 < xentrac_> well, incomprehensible amounts of something 14:06 < xentrac_> could be oranges 14:06 < maaku> hrm. i wonder what the surface gravity would be of 1 googol of oranges 14:07 < maaku> by surface I mean event horizon 14:08 < pasky> ok, maybe all native english speaker have an association to googol - it always seemed like a really obscure word to reference that i've never heard otherwise 14:08 < maaku> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+googol+of+oranges 14:09 < xentrac_> maaku: that's about 1.1 light-years in radius 14:09 < maaku> pasky: sorry, I forgot your Czech. Yes 'googol' is obscure, but not an unknown word. 14:09 < pasky> I see! 14:09 < maaku> I like that Wolfram Alpha gives nutritional facts for 1 googol of oranges 14:09 < xentrac_> pasky: I think almost all native English speakers know it, because most of us go through a phase as kids where we are ambitious to be able to name larger numbers 14:10 < xentrac_> and a googol is about as big as it gets before you understand exponentiation 14:11 < xentrac_> Related Queries: 14:11 < xentrac_> sugar in 55 vigintillion baked potatoesmagnesium in 93 billion peachesvitamin E in 6 billion croissantscalories in 25 hubble volume of jamniacin in 23 sun masses of beef jerky 14:11 < xentrac_> uh, I said 1.1 light years 14:11 < xentrac_> I left out the × 10¹⁶ on that 14:12 < maaku> xentrac_: 1 googol of oranges has a Schwarzschild radius of 2.2e56 light years 14:12 < maaku> i think we just destroyed the universe 14:12 < xentrac_> how do you calculate that? 14:12 < maaku> 2 * m * G / c^2 14:13 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:13 < xentrac_> it seems like the answer you got is too large 14:14 < xentrac_> but I also get 6.2e56 14:14 < xentrac_> You have: 2 * .76 g/cc * spherevolume(5 cm) * 1 googol * G / c^2 14:14 < xentrac_> You want: lightyears 14:15 < xentrac_> I thought large black holes could be not very dense on average, like, less dense than oranges 14:15 < xentrac_> oh 14:15 < maaku> xentrac_: well it's all compressed to a point (we think) 14:15 < xentrac_> of course. how stupid of me 14:15 < maaku> but the Schwarzschild radius is the distance of the event horizon from that point 14:15 < xentrac_> right 14:16 < xentrac_> I was just thinking that this meant that the googol of oranges *wouldn't* be a black hole 14:17 < xentrac_> but they would, with an event horizon 40 orders of magnitude further out than the initial surface of the oranges 14:19 < xentrac_> so indeed the average density inside the event horizon would be very small indeed 14:19 < xentrac_> if only you could find a universe large enough to fit it in 14:20 < xentrac_> maybe in the far future 14:21 < cluckj> would the colors shift due to the gravity that they would no longer be orange? 14:23 < xentrac_> if you're inside the event horizon? who knows? 14:23 < xentrac_> I mean presumably you wouldn't be able to see them 14:30 < nmz787_i> I only really have ever heard of "googol" in the word "googolplex" in the movie "back to the future" 14:34 < maaku> cluckj: the light would be orange-shifted, yes 14:48 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:54 < streety> nmz787_i did you have any particular interest in the compressor you linked to earlier? I quite like the look of http://www.mytekcontrols.com/2014/06/aspen-19cc-compressor-dissected.html 15:04 -!- n00bster [~n00bster@bzq-79-176-83-53.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:04 -!- n00bster [~n00bster@unaffiliated/nerio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-17-35-4.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-159-99-25.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:08 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:14 -!- andreh [~andreh@2804:7f3:8485:d028:a935:de44:9d1d:dc1d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.82] has quit [Client Quit] 17:29 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35 -!- andreh [~andreh@2804:7f3:8485:d028:a935:de44:9d1d:dc1d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- andreh [~andreh@179.181.123.45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 < maaku> When I solve eternal youth I'm going to make receiving it conditional on taking and passing a massive rationalism and scientific literacy course 17:53 < kanzure> that one's already solved dude, it's called reproduction 17:54 < kanzure> could you focus on long-term machine reliability. biological reliability also OK. 17:55 -!- andreh_ [~andreh@179.179.45.232] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- andreh [~andreh@179.181.123.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43 < maaku> kanzure -- possible alternative to solving biology: i 18:43 < maaku> Create a digital intercranial bridge 18:44 < maaku> And wire yourself to a child. 19:02 < maaku> That's probably an old trope in science fiction which proves I don't read enough. 19:07 < pasky> can't remember seeing that in scifi 19:08 < pasky> (well, i don't read that much either anymore; maybe i'll sometime read that book series elon musk uses to name drones after) 19:10 < cluckj> that sounds awful 19:10 < cluckj> kid brains are notoriously unreliable 19:14 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a5c9:5187:849a:7520] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:20 < streety> I hadn't realized Elon Musk was taking inspiration for names from fiction. The Culture series is entertaining 19:20 < streety> The non-sci-fi books are good as well. Though a little dark 19:26 < superkuh> streety, like, "The Quarry"? 19:27 < superkuh> Depressing book especially since it was covering dying while he was dying. 19:31 -!- jtimon [~quassel@4.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31 < pasky> ah, The Culture, right! 19:33 < streety> I haven't read The Quarry, actually there are probably more I haven't read than I have. I think I have only read Complicity, Canal Dreams, and Espedair Street 19:57 < maaku> cluckj your more structured thought patterns would dominate the infantile mind, overwriting it and making the new body an extension of yourself 20:05 < kanzure> george church recommended incubating another brain and just feeding it most of the same input and output data 20:05 < kanzure> and then there's the pig abdomen brain incubation stuff 20:14 < kanzure> "eternal youth" always struck me as the wrong goal because there's a lot of things that ain't youth that would be pretty OK 20:14 < kanzure> most probably the highest quality we can get is brain vitrification and scanning with various antibody markers 20:15 < kanzure> for emulations, especially based on incomplete scan data (or less scan data or zero scan data), the task is much easier because we know how to deal with data 20:16 < kanzure> and for everyone else there's eventual cryonics but it might take a while to get better gene therapy, or a few generations for breeding to work out productively for cryoresuscitation 20:21 -!- abetusk [~abram@c-98-216-104-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:22 < kanzure> oh actually, for "eternal youth", i had previously speculated on a few ways to use selective breeding to make "young blood rejuvenation" actually work. obv. this wont work for the presently living humans (unless we figure out the details and then have way better gene therapy options available). 20:30 < maaku> kanzure the goal is continuity of personhood, not brain replication per SE, for those of us that care about such things 20:31 < maaku> Also this lets stiff like selective breeding help existing people 20:31 < maaku> But moot point I suppose as MNT will arrive on shorter time scales 21:04 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.77] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:48 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:07 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Wed Apr 13 00:00:27 2016