--- Log opened Tue Apr 19 00:00:51 2016 00:03 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@mobile-166-137-176-211.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:466:1e10:e418:2fb2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:466:1e10:e418:2fb2] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:11 -!- fleshtheworld- [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:466:1e10:e418:2fb2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:18 -!- fleshtheworld- [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:466:1e10:e418:2fb2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01 -!- duper [~super@ns2.blackcatz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02 -!- duper [~super@ns2.blackcatz.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:10 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:14 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:18 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20 -!- Cubecat [~Cubecat@unaffiliated/cubecat] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:25 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:35 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:00 -!- Aurelius_Laptop [~cpopell@c-24-16-5-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:14 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:21 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:23 -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:29 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 < kanzure> dust clouds would probably work for a dyson swarm... reflect light to a single point. much cheaper than deploying solar panels everywhere. 05:53 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 06:22 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 < kanzure> http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2015-hugo-awards/ 06:36 < juri_> http://hackaday.com/2016/04/18/implicitcad-programmatic-cad-built-with-3d-printing-in-mind/ 06:36 < juri_> aparently, i do good things. 06:37 < kanzure> hm i see eric s. raymond on that 2015 hugo awards list 06:38 < kanzure> gah microsoft introduced yet another cad format this time json :\ https://engineering.microsoft.com/2016/03/03/maker-js-cad-modeling-in-pure-javascript/ 06:39 < kanzure> oh also interesting to see "rolf nelson" on that hugo awards page. i met him in 2008 when i was being indoctrinated into singinst. 06:40 < JayDugger> As "Best New Writers," but for what works? 06:41 < juri_> "girls r dumb" 06:41 < juri_> seriously, the guy has a problem. 06:41 < JayDugger> And wow, "Elitist Book Reviews" sure disappoints. 06:41 < JayDugger> Any links, so I can judge for myself? 06:42 < kanzure> juri_: to be fair, there are many people who are dumb, some of them even female :) 06:43 < juri_> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2118 06:43 < juri_> kanzure: la la la, i can't hear you over the sound of my agenda. ;) 06:44 < kanzure> elitist book reviews says "Just a couple guys with much better taste in books than you" i was hoping for reviews of elitist books 06:44 < JayDugger> Yup, me too. 06:44 < JayDugger> Or least book reviews from someone with better taste than that. 06:45 < JayDugger> Juri_, do you know for what works ESR and Rolf Nelso appeared on the Hugo 2015 ballot? 06:45 < kanzure> esr was probably nominated for the emacs manual as a work of fiction *ducks* 06:46 < juri_> no, i'm just popping my head in, because my project landed on hackaday. 06:46 < JayDugger> if you don't know off-hand, searching isn't needed. 06:46 * juri_ throws rocks at kanzure. ;) 06:46 < juri_> i actually met one of the emacs manual writers from the 80s. he was in congress, dressed and acting like james madison. 06:47 < JayDugger> I stopped caring about the Hugos after I read enough of the award-winners to figure out that some years had a bad crop. 06:47 < kanzure> yeah i have been wondeirng what to do about lack of great scifi 06:47 < JayDugger> Really? Please tell him that two-layer table of contents was a completely stupid idea. 06:47 < JayDugger> Clone Greg Egan. 06:47 < kanzure> when i open up some short story and see 800 pages of dialog i just groan. nobody has anything so important to say that they need to take 800 pages. 06:48 < JayDugger> Resurrect Lem and Stapledon. 06:48 < JayDugger> And Burroughs. 06:48 < JayDugger> Both of them. 06:48 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 < c0rw1n> and not Phil K Dick? 06:49 < kanzure> well, as usual one solution is to just make money available for good things, but i'm not sure how to make that work either 06:49 < JayDugger> No. Not Dick. His non-SF is better than his SF. 06:49 < kanzure> people who can write reasonably good scifi are usually employed doing things like actual science or engineering projects 06:49 < JayDugger> Except for "A Scanner Darkly," which is only weakly SF. 06:50 < juri_> howabout we actually focus on hplus stuff, and reverse larry niven's aging to the time when he wrote good sci-fi? 06:50 < kanzure> larry niven is still around? 06:50 < JayDugger> Well, yes. And they still write interesting SF (Yes, and so is Benford.) 06:50 < juri_> i had to check wikipedia, but yes. 06:50 < kanzure> b. 1938 06:51 < JayDugger> There's always Arxiv and grant proposals. *ducks* 06:53 < JayDugger> Anyway, it was encouraging to see translated fiction on the ballot. 06:53 < kanzure> perhaps something with a bunch of ghostwriters and editors working from the same source material. e.g. the star wars franchise over time had a formula for cranking out books with new authors that usually met some quality standard (er, i mean, i'm sure they had variance...) 06:54 < JayDugger> .wik formula fiction 06:54 < yoleaux> "In popular culture, formula fiction is literature in which the storylines and plots have been reused to the extent that the narratives are predictable. It is similar to genre fiction, which identifies a number of specific settings that are frequently reused." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_fiction 06:55 < kanzure> .title http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=30948 06:55 < yoleaux> Building the Bowl of Heaven 06:55 < JayDugger> Pfft! What a crap article summary. 06:55 < kanzure> no no i don't mean storylines/plots 06:55 < JayDugger> And the article sucked too, right down to the navbox. 06:56 < JayDugger> Oh, I misunderstood you then. 06:57 < kanzure> not sure if there's a franchise where the editors were responsible for ensuring worldbuilding integrity/use, besides enforcing some minimum standard of quality 06:58 < JayDugger> Besides having a series bible? I thought that would be most of them. 06:58 < JayDugger> (Oh, and put Zebrowski and Pellegrino back to writing SF.) 06:59 < kanzure> by worldbuilding i meant non-plotline, sorry. 06:59 < JayDugger> Do you mean something as informal as the thousand HP Lovecraft homages, pastiches, and now-a-days revisions? 07:00 < JayDugger> I think Ken Burnside had a project like that, 5-10 years ago...they had a bitbucket repository, IIRC. 07:00 < c0rw1n> kanzure: there's the Warhammer40K books 07:00 < JayDugger> Yeah, that fits too, but I don't think that's what he meant. 07:01 < kanzure> the larger franchises are usually connected to some central story, rather than smply ensuring an average level of quality that doesn't make you want to rip your eyes out 07:01 < c0rw1n> they enforce sooome consistency.. and the Heresy series (what i've read of it) doesn't descend into real terribleness imo 07:03 < c0rw1n> ( there are really trbl 40K novels outside of that , admitted ) 07:05 < JayDugger> Do you mean a collaborative project like Orion's Arm, but you know, that doesn't collapse? 07:07 < kanzure> short stories from orion's arm were of suspicious quality most of the time 07:07 < c0rw1n> Ooo also : Optimalverse 07:08 < kanzure> if this is ponyfic i am going to kill you 07:08 < c0rw1n> ._. 07:08 < kanzure> ah shit 07:08 < Betawolf> c0rw1n: even the heresy series has some seriously questionable writing. I noticed I developed different standards for 40k writing than other scifi, where 40k stuff that was at all well-written was a refreshing surprise 07:09 < kanzure> JayDugger: yep probably something with ghostwriters or whatever 07:09 < c0rw1n> Betawolf: admitted, i'm rather easily amused ... 07:10 < Betawolf> c0rw1n: I love the world and concept, hate most of the actual writing. 07:13 < c0rw1n> yeah, most black library authors horribly mishandle 40k... as for writing, um, past "this doesn't bore me" and "wow i like this a lot", i don't really have a quality scale 07:14 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:18 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:18 < JayDugger> I like the horror anthologies from Japan that Kurodahan Press translated, but I haven't read any of their SF releases. 07:19 < JayDugger> They have something against ebook releases, licensing, I think. 07:43 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- DroneFox [~DroneFox@95.128.68.231] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:23 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- Aurelius_Laptop [~cpopell@c-24-16-5-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:40 -!- amiller [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:40 -!- amiller is now known as Guest87203 09:45 -!- Aurelius_Laptop [~cpopell@c-24-16-5-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:57 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:20 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tojmiqqrpmfkwkuq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:52 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:53 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17 < heath> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEDrMriKsFM 11:17 < yoleaux> Flyboard® Air Test 1 - YouTube 11:17 < heath> .title http://www.stencyl.com/ 11:17 < yoleaux> Stencyl: Make iPhone, iPad, Android & Flash Games without code 11:27 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.31.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:31 < maaku> I hope the flyboard people are pursuing military contracts. That has huge potential for urban firefight resupply and medical evac 11:31 < maaku> could make them a lot of money 11:32 < kanzure> pfft fire departments don't have money 11:32 < maaku> firefight = guns 11:33 < maaku> ammo resupply, or specialist weapon (e.g. anti-tank) delivery 11:39 < nmz787_i> that is sweet 11:40 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 < nmz787_i> until it runs out of fuel and you fall 11:47 < maaku> nmz787_i: you use refueling goblin gliders, obvs. 11:50 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12 < nmz787_i> hmm, the Jeol NEOSCOPE is $123,250 with EDS (xray detection) 12:12 < nmz787_i> $79k without it 12:19 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:23 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- Reventlo1 is now known as Reventlov 13:40 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@volcanis.me] has quit [Changing host] 13:40 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14 < archels_> "[...] the value in the hammer-nail dichotomy is that you've already got the hammer sitting there, so being able to transform problems into nails becomes valuable even if it's not the optimal solution. You can always optimize it later." 14:16 < kanzure> and then you end up with lots of hammers and nails when all you wanted was lunch 14:32 < archels_> well, so long as they're all convex, you're a go 14:35 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- Cubecat [~Cubecat@unaffiliated/cubecat] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 14:48 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- DroneFox [~DroneFox@95.128.68.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56 * maaku leaves to rummage up a convex lunch 15:00 -!- wbraun [~wbraun@dhcp-18-189-30-169.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: wbraun] 15:12 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:19 -!- Guest87203 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:21 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:00 -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- Guest53522 is now known as amiller 16:06 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 -!- namespace [irssi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe89:ddeb] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:47 -!- namespace [irssi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe89:ddeb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:11 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:39 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otlouxlsfcvfpyqs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:46 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- Darius [~quassel@cpe-158-222-160-123.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:59 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:00 -!- wbraun [~wbraun@dhcp-18-189-61-248.dyn.mit.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:03 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:04 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:21 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.31.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utsftmmlpavikfep] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-107-20-22-71.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-163-37-65.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:51 -!- wbraun [~wbraun@dhcp-18-189-61-248.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: wbraun] 19:55 -!- abetusk_ is now known as abetusk 19:58 -!- abetusk is now known as abetusk_ 19:58 -!- abetusk_ is now known as abetusk 20:07 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:09 -!- Aurelius_Laptop [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 -!- Aurelius_Laptop [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:21 -!- wbraun [~wbraun@dhcp-18-189-79-78.dyn.mit.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:33 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55 -!- rkos [rkos@228.ip-176-31-189.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:03 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:14 -!- DroneFox [~DroneFox@95.128.68.231] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:36 -!- Gurkenglas_ [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-178-156.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otlouxlsfcvfpyqs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:52 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utsftmmlpavikfep] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Wed Apr 20 00:00:52 2016