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10:55 < kanzure> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/374
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12:35 < sandeepkr_> any suggestions on some DIY experiments i can do with coal.I have a DAQ, i can program and design circuit to study properties.
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13:18 < heath> https://vimeo.com/135473713
13:18 < heath> .title
13:18 < yoleaux> Pathogen-Extracting Sepsis Therapy on Vimeo
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13:35 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11533435
13:35 < yoleaux> FreeCAD 0.16 release notes | Hacker News
13:35 < kanzure> http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Release_notes_0.16
13:36 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11531448
13:36 < yoleaux> The history of peer review, and how it was troubled from the start | Hacker News
13:36 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/news/peer-review-troubled-from-the-start-1.19763
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13:55 < kanzure> https://github.com/symbiolab/bio-labware/blob/master/000_bio-labware_overview.md
15:12 < heath> https://palmeral.github.io/min/
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15:21 < nmz787_i> sup
15:33 < catern> heath: that browser appears to be written by a fan of debian, so it can't be that bad
15:33 < pasky> heath: interesting, but still not what I'm waiting for (a browser that just drops the distinction between bookmarks and tabs and finds the right blend of both)... maybe it's in the right direction though
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16:09 < xentrac_> pasky: that's interesting
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16:10 < xentrac_> someone wrote a browser entirely in CSS and JavaScript?  forgive me if I assume they're lying through their teeth here
16:11 < xentrac_> I mean ejs is the only ahead-of-time JS compiler I know of, and it's not yet ready for production use, and I don't think anyone has even come close to writing an ACID-testable browser engine in JS (even if they *did* have a compiler for it)
16:12 < pasky> I use tabs as bookmarks as bookmarks didn't evolve at all since someone invented them in 1992; but the downside is that my browser takes a lot of memory and is slow and game over without vertical tabs :(
16:13 < xentrac_> you probably would benefit from being able to tag your tabs too
16:13 < pasky> xentrac_: it's as much in CSS and JavaScript as Firefox is in XUL (if they still call it that)
16:13 < xentrac_> hmm, I don't think Firefox is in XUL
16:13 < pasky> xentrac_: probably not; I'd never bother; I'd benefit from them autoclustering and fast fulltext search
16:13 < xentrac_> I mean none of it is
16:13 < kanzure> yes i expect my tabs to get cached and stored as bookmarks, some sort of fall-off algorithm or backoff algorithm
16:14 < xentrac_> Seamonkey used XUL
16:14 < kanzure> and everything i browse should also be cached in a local caching proxy
16:14 < pasky> well my firefox uses something called xulrunner, or used to
16:14 < xentrac_> yeah, but basically it avoids using XUL for anything IIRC
16:14 < kanzure> pasky: i have been using a tag-based bookmark manager for a while now, https://github.com/davidlazar/jotmuch
16:14 < xentrac_> even though it runs under xulrunner
16:15 < kanzure> pasky: and my one modification to xmonad was the ability to bring windows up based on tags (or was it just a single keyword?) i applied. but not quite integrated with bookmarks...
16:15 < pasky> interesting... but so much bother
16:16 < pasky> if some page is interesting and i want to come back to it later (to heck for updates or just continue reading), *i won't close the tab*
16:16 < pasky> and i won't use bookmarks gizmo that requires a iota more activity from me than that, i'm afraid :)
16:17 < xentrac_> pasky: I've always found it useful to write notes about things
16:18 < pasky> for me that always turns to a big project that suddenly is hugely expensive to keep up and i give up :)
16:19 < kanzure> pasky: command line tagged bookmarking tool is not significant effort. about the same as "open shell, call vim". e.g. i use "jot bookmark url tag1 tag2 tag3".
16:19 < xentrac_> pasky: yeah, here's an example bookmark of mine, in a text file that I keep open in Emacs
16:20 < xentrac_> http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com.ar/2016/04/how-i-deal-with-harassment-abuse-and.html?m=1 How to deal with #public-shaming and online #harassment and abuse.
16:20 < pasky> kanzure: it sounds sane, but in my case my tabs would probably start queuing up for jotting :)
16:20 < pasky> another downside is that it doesn't keep state
16:20 < xentrac_> so I can use ^R to search in my notes
16:21 < pasky> like where am i scrolled in that long document, or in what chapter of finnegan's wake ;) i ended up
16:21 < xentrac_> some things I actually take the time to summarize, which helps me understand them
16:21 < xentrac_> http://www.economist.com/news/business/21696941-solar-power-reshaping-energy-production-developing-world-follow-sun?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/followthesun Jordan is installing a 5 km² 160MW #photovoltaic #solar plant outside Ma’an; Jordan imports 96% of its #energy as fossil fuels, amounting to 10% of its GDP.  China, since 2015 the biggest producer of solar energy, subsidizes PV plants, now producing 3% of its electricity; it’s expected to 
16:21 < xentrac_> that bookmark is actually 1.2K
16:21 < kanzure> gross, xentrac reads the news
16:22 < xentrac_> oh hey, kanzure, I just noticed I have you on my calendar
16:22 < pasky> xentrac_: I think I just use google to come back to pages i need to come back to for information
16:22 < xentrac_> three months ago you claimed I was a terrible person because I didn't know enough about Bitcoin
16:22 < kanzure> pasky: that's a failing strategy
16:23 < kanzure> xentrac_: i am pretty sure that summary is false, surely i would have given you a far more specific reason
16:23 < xentrac_> you didn't really give any reason
16:23 < xentrac_> but it was part of a conversation about Bitcoin and what the resolution of the block size tempest in a teapot was going to be
16:24 < kanzure> god damn it you fucking lied to me
16:24 < kanzure> 12:44 < kanzure> your accusations of censorship are not based on physical reality and you are a terrible person
16:24 < xentrac_> and I was saying that I didn't know enough about the situation to know what was going on
16:24 < xentrac_> do you still think I'm a terrible person?  I decided it wasn't worth talking to you for a while under those circumstances
16:24 < kanzure> "you didn't really give any reason"
16:24 < pasky> oh I remember that message!
16:25 < kanzure> yeah it was a few seconds ago
16:25 < xentrac_> I mean i can give you another three months if you still think that
16:25 < pasky> but - it wasn't a joke?
16:25 < xentrac_> I could totally be wrong about the censorship stuff obviously
16:25 < kanzure> you are definitely wrong about the censorship stuff, i also showed you how you were wrong (i also showed you physical evidence)
16:27 < xentrac_> it seemed to me that your evidence supported the accusations of censorship, since it consisted of explanations of why such censorship would be justifiable
16:27 < kanzure> i forgot that censorship is one of those magic accusations that transcends physical reality and evidence and reason
16:27 < xentrac_> which, who knows, maybe it is
16:27 < xentrac_> it's all very inside baseball to me
16:27 < kanzure> literally to this day you can still do a search like "site:reddit.com/r/bitcoin xt" and find that it's totally not censored.
16:28 < xentrac_> I did at the time, and what I saw looked like the remnants after extensive censorship, but I don't really care enough about the subject to repeat the experiment
16:28 < xentrac_> I mean if I did care enough about it then I would probably know what was going on and not be pleading ignorance
16:28 < xentrac_> so I didn't fucking lie to you
16:28 < kanzure> you weren't pleading ignorance you were pleading censorship
16:29 < kanzure> you definitely lied to me- you told me i didn't give you a reason. i just checked the logs and found that i had.
16:29 < xentrac_> you didn't give a reason in what you just pasted above
16:29 < kanzure> *shrug* there were earlier lines from that log
16:29 < kanzure> you were there.
16:30 < kanzure> being a terrible person isn't the end of the world, think of it as a new challenge to overcome or something, i don't know
16:30 < xentrac_> anyway, basically I don't really care about the Bitcoin XT stuff because I figure it will resolve itself one way or another without my involvement, and I don't have any special insight to bring to bear --- rather the contrary
16:30 < xentrac_> oh, so you still think I'm a terrible person, then?
16:31 < kanzure> you don't care yet you still raise the flag of censorship; something ain't adding up there. yes that's completely terrible.
16:32 < xentrac_> I was saying that one of the reasons that I didn't have very good information about what was going on was that there were credible accusations of censorship pointed at the places I would usually go for information
16:32 < xentrac_> which makes them untrustworthy, even though the accusations are somewhat uncertain
16:32 < xentrac_> which means I would have to care a lot to become more informed
16:33 < kanzure> it also paints your selection of information sources as extremely questionable
16:33 < xentrac_> anyway, so I'll give you another three months
16:33 < xentrac_> thanks for the feedback!
16:33 < kanzure> i recommend not reading the news either.
16:33 < kanzure> causes brain damage of a few kinds
16:34 < xentrac_> pasky: what wasn't a joke?  no, I'm pretty sure he was serious
16:34 < xentrac_> it would be better to have scroll position and frame state and stuff like that also saved in my bookmarks file
16:35 < xentrac_> but I think the most valuable thing is actually sharing your annotations with other people, which is a lot of what people do on things like Fecebutt and Twatter
16:36 < xentrac_> full-text search is pretty great but right now my biggest problem with Google is that it's clogged with spam except when it returns a Wikipedia result
16:37 < xentrac_> which is nice when it happens, but Wikipedia is kind of shallow most of the time
16:38 < xentrac_> btw, related to fabrication technology, I found a bunch of useful information about electroplating and electroforming with copper and copper alloys (including both zinc brasses and tin bronzes) in uh
16:39 < xentrac_> the ASM Specialty Handbook "Copper and Copper Alloys"
16:43 < xentrac_> its primary source is a book by Reinhold from 1971 called the Electroplating Engineering Handbook
16:43 < xentrac_> which doesn't seem to be in libgen
16:48 < xentrac_> the interesting part to me was that it's apparently eminently practical to electroplate/electrodeposit copper at a thickness of 50 nanometers per second
16:49 < xentrac_> which might be a reasonable way of doing nanoscale 3-D printing in metal
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17:27 < Jenda`_> pasky: My classmate was shocked that I have 40 tabs open and asked how much memory it takes. Only 730 MB with JavaScript turned off.
17:27 < Jenda`_> pasky: Have you tried having bookmarks toolbar instead of tabs?
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18:25 < kanzure> bookmarks toolbar ain't the same. takes too long to load anything.
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18:59 < nmz787> anyone here use flatcam?
19:00 < kanzure> "Ironically, it was Boris Derjaguin's participation in the polywater debacle that caused many to dismiss him when he claimed to have synthesized diamond by chemical vapor deposition, at pressures far below the thermodynamic stability region for diamond. In fact, he was right and diamond synthesis by CVD is routine today. We probably lost about a decade of progress in diamond CVD because of Derjaguin's having been tarred with polywater, ...
19:00 < kanzure> ... as it were."
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19:38 < kanzure> "Abstract rule neurons in the endbrain support intelligent behaviour in corvid songbirds" http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131128/ncomms3878/full/ncomms3878.html
19:38 < kanzure> "Despite the lack of a layered neocortex and fundamental differences in endbrain organization in birds compared with mammals, intelligent species evolved from both vertebrate classes. Among birds, corvids show exceptional cognitive flexibility. Here we explore the neuronal foundation of corvid cognition by recording single-unit activity from an association area known as the nidopallium caudolaterale (NCL) while carrion crows make ...
19:38 < kanzure> ... flexible rule-guided decisions, a hallmark of executive control functions. The most prevalent activity in NCL represents the behavioural rules, while abstracting over sample images and sensory modalities of the rule cues. Rule coding is weaker in error trials, thus predicting the crows’ behavioural decisions. This suggests that the abstraction of general principles may be an important function of the NCL, mirroring the function of ...
19:39 < kanzure> ... primate prefrontal cortex. These findings emphasize that intelligence in vertebrates does not necessarily rely on a neocortex but can be realized in endbrain circuitries that developed independently via convergent evolution."
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