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12:59 < chris_99> Anyone seen this heh, http://bitchess.co/
12:59 < chris_99> i'm wondering if the top players are bots
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13:35 < pasky> I haven't found any description of what the heck libconsensus is, that don't require bitcoin-dev mental context
13:35 < pasky> is it just a blockchain / script processing library?
13:35 < pasky> or more about just juggling the version bits etc.?
13:38 < pasky> (based on the name, I assumed the latter, but now it seems more like the former and that it really should've been called libblockchain, libbtscript or something)
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13:44 < kanzure> pasky: libconsensus is supposed to be the part that has consensus-specific rules
13:44 < kanzure> there's a lot of stuff in bitcoin core that is critical to the bitcoin protocol, but unfortunately it's tied up with lots of weird wallet stuff and other inconsequential things
13:45 < kanzure> as a result, there's literally no other implementation that can match all the same bugs in bitcoin core's consensus implementation-- at least, not yet.
13:45 < kanzure> this coupling of consensus rules with unrelated things (such as qt) is very very ungood
13:45 < kanzure> btw it also goes by the name "libbitcoinconsensus"
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13:52 < pasky> coupling qt with anything else is very very ungood
13:52 < kanzure> how about money 2.0? :)
13:52 < pasky> but this "consensus" pertains only the blockchain, not e.g. the p2p, right?
13:52 < kanzure> p2p messaging layer needs compatibility, but it's not consensus-critical, as long as nodes receive the relevant information things should be good
13:53 < kanzure> i mean... there's p2p network health issues. like if data doesn't get transmitted to the entire network, stuff starts to break.....
13:53 < FourFire> I learned about this today: http://openpsych.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=5
13:53 < kanzure> btcdrak: do we consider networking layer stuff to be part of eventual libconsensus?
13:53 < pasky> so are there parts of block processing (except tx, address db) that are not consensus-critical?
13:53 < FourFire> Re: Bot which automates part of peer review process to sort shit from science.
13:54 < FourFire> I was told that the founder of that forum would be the person to talk to
13:54 < kanzure> pasky: mempool policy is generally considered not consensus critical (although if you throw away too much data, then you will have to request it when a block comes later that references that data you threw out-- oops)
13:54 < pasky> (I guess it just seems strange to pick "consensus" as the delineating factor rather than some technical module like "blockchain", "script", ...  an outsider's POV is that it'd be more natural to just break off a couple of modules based on functionality, and mark some as consensus-critical and others as not so)
13:54 < kanzure> pasky: btw bitcoin core itself does not come with an address db or address index. that's a separate patch that some developers maintain.
13:55 < kanzure> pasky: yes breaking off modules is the goal, but there's a lot of software engineering effort required to achieve that
13:55 < pasky> yeah I can understand that :)
13:55 < kanzure> pasky: the source code is not in good shape :) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/fbd84788e676c9cbd126f6236ec46bb2f342bd00/src/main.cpp
13:55 < pasky> oh? I used to query my bitcoind for address balances I think when I was running it in 2012
13:56 < kanzure> it tracks your own accounting, but not non-you addresses or nothing
13:56 < kanzure> address index for all P2PKH addresses is many gigabytes in size. thus it is not something turned on by default, or even maintained by the bitcoin core project contributors.
13:56 < pasky> mplayer's main() used to be way more impressive than that
13:57 < pasky> it doesn't run a billion dollar economics though
13:57 < pasky> kanzure: yes, just figured that that's what i misremembered
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15:23 < maaku> kanzure block validation is the only role of libbitcoinconsensus
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16:28 < juul> maaku: i'm looking for someone fairly experienced for the UI/UX so if you have someone like that and they're interested then do send them my way :) Thanks for the offer with regards to decentralized web. I'm pretty well-versed in decentralized web but less so in bitcoin-related things which may become relevant so I might ask for advice in a few months.
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16:36 < kanzure> juul: i think you mean heath/ybit
16:40 < juul> i do? maake highlighted me earlier
16:41 < juul> ybit: you mean they wouldn't know about the biotech part?
16:41 < juul> *maaku
16:41 < juul> but thanks, i think i missed ybit's response
17:10 < jrayhawk> http://medfraud.info/ an interesting story of politics coming out ahead of epistemology
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