--- Log opened Tue Jun 14 00:00:29 2016 00:15 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@63.75.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-159-215-251.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-91-82-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:56 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-202-137-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:13 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:45 < archels> .title neuroinf.org 02:45 < yoleaux> neuroinf.org 02:56 < fenn> bad url? 02:58 < archels> I think it's down, my email to comp-neuro bounced 03:06 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:48 < kanzure> hrm 04:27 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:58 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:4c0c:7076:fe52:5915] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:05 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:12 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jagaqfkrtvntgisd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:03 < FourFire> .oed www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10028278 06:03 < yoleaux> FourFire: Sorry: that command is a web-service, but it didn't respond in plain text. 06:03 < FourFire> kanzure, what's the correct command for that? 06:18 < FourFire> .title www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10028278 06:18 < yoleaux> Identification of yeasts by RFLP analysis of the 5.8S rRNA gene and the two ribosomal internal transcribed spacers. - PubMed - NCBI 06:19 < chris_99> nmz787, i ordered the Pi Noir :) So I can try and build my spectrometer soon 07:00 < mz_o__> is that the ir camera for the raspi? 07:00 < chris_99> yeah 07:00 < chris_99> i found that apparently you can get raw output, with 10bit / channel interestingly 07:00 < chris_99> via the python api 07:01 < mz_o__> thats an interesting application for the pi. Seems like decent quality. Would resolution or bit depth be more important for a spectrometer? 07:02 < chris_99> for my application bit depth is pretty important, as i want to measure a peak around 900nm and measure the amplitude 07:03 < chris_99> i hope 10 bit is enough, but i'm not sure it will be 07:04 < mz_o__> Is there anything higher for a small camera? I konw with video files 10-bit is fairly high 07:04 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 < mz_o__> Are you using any preexisting libraries for the actual spectrograph/analysis portion? 07:04 -!- Filosofem [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 < chris_99> i might just make them myself, i'm hoping it wonder be too hard 07:06 < chris_99> i'm trying to measure an ethanol peak 07:06 < chris_99> to determine ABV in a liquid 07:06 < chris_99> s/wonder/won't/ 07:07 -!- Filosofem [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 < mz_o__> It would really just be some basic image processing to analyze the peak on a certain area right? 07:09 < kanzure> other half of zooko: https://github.com/ambimorph 07:10 < chris_99> mz_o__, yup afaik 07:10 < mz_o__> Where a group of pixels on a certain correspond to the wavelength 07:10 < chris_99> mm, and the pixel value corresponds to amplitude 07:10 < mz_o__> Im not to familiar with the spectrograph theory, YET 07:11 < mz_o__> just torrented a orgo lab manual with morning lol 07:11 < mz_o__> *this 07:19 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbqyigldtpqlzdyb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:21 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@63.75.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:35 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:b977:cf6c:97b3:97c0] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-173-11.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@2a00:f41:5046:85e0:de85:deff:fe55:967a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-173-11.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@4.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jagaqfkrtvntgisd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:02 < kanzure> hmph 10:09 < nmz787_i> merphm? 10:11 < kanzure> right 10:12 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@2a00:f41:5046:85e0:de85:deff:fe55:967a] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 < kanzure> nmz787_i: we should just put him in irc instead. he's been in here before. 10:16 < nmz787_i> .tell chris_99 I wonder if the camera has changed, I recall lots of digital noise on low light that I would consider good reading light... which I attributed to the layout of the camera module or something about how they did the analog to digital 10:16 < yoleaux> nmz787_i: I'll pass your message to chris_99. 10:16 < nmz787_i> hmm 10:17 < chris_99> nmz787_i, ah hmm, i think it's a sony sensor now, not sure if it was also before? 10:17 < yoleaux> 17:16Z chris_99: I wonder if the camera has changed, I recall lots of digital noise on low light that I would consider good reading light... which I attributed to the layout of the camera module or something about how they did the analog to digital 10:17 < nmz787_i> chris_99: can you read the name? 10:17 < chris_99> i haven't got it yet, but i think i can find the part no sec 10:17 < nmz787_i> /me has mine in my hands 10:17 < chris_99> Sony IMX219 10:18 < nmz787_i> haha, my module has a cable that says 'SUNNY' 10:18 < nmz787_i> raspberry pi camera rev 1.3 10:19 < chris_99> sounds like the earlier version is Omnivision 5647 10:19 < chris_99> so the noise could be different 10:20 < chris_99> i can always average it for my application though i guess 10:20 < nmz787_i> yeah seems that is the right part you mentioned, from another random website confirming 10:20 < chris_99> aha 10:20 < nmz787_i> in my case dark noise was really high 10:20 < chris_99> ah 10:20 < nmz787_i> I'd expect better from Sony ;) 10:20 < chris_99> mm 10:21 < nmz787_i> Omnivision doesn't have a playstation :) 10:21 < chris_99> heh 10:21 < nmz787_i> at least 10:21 < chris_99> have you ever tried altering the focus of the lens? 10:22 < nmz787_i> na 10:22 < nmz787_i> used it as a security system one vacation, had an android app that could see it with a single click on my phone 10:22 < nmz787_i> then it got disassembled and the OS started acting up or something 10:22 < chris_99> ah darn 10:23 < nmz787_i> basically didn't spend enough time playing and messing with it 10:25 < chris_99> i'm gonna use the python api, were you can get raw pre-bayerised data 10:25 < nmz787_i> kanzure: what about jcline coming in here? 10:25 < nmz787_i> nice 10:25 < nmz787_i> well 10:25 < nmz787_i> no 10:25 < nmz787_i> wait 10:25 < nmz787_i> isn't it just pre-chopped to 8 bits? 10:26 < kanzure> jcline wont do that 10:26 < chris_99> you can get 10 bit raw data via the python api 10:26 < nmz787_i> yeah but that isn't pre-bayer 10:26 < chris_99> it is 10:26 < nmz787_i> bayer is a layer of plastic on the silicon 10:26 < chris_99> sorry i mean the bayer algorithm where it creates pixels 10:26 < nmz787_i> maybe you mean pre de-bayering 10:26 < chris_99> yeah 10:26 < nmz787_i> ah, ok 10:26 < nmz787_i> sorry 10:26 < nmz787_i> physics vs algorithm 10:26 < nmz787_i> overloaded 10:27 < nmz787_i> just last night at work I was confused similarly over overloaded terms 10:27 < nmz787_i> for totally disparate things 10:27 < chris_99> ah sorry i poorly explained that 10:27 < nmz787_i> haha, na 10:28 < chris_99> you know this electroporation thing, you mentioned about inductors, i thought it uses a flyback to increase the voltagae 10:28 < nmz787_i> yeah 10:28 < nmz787_i> the one we want to get worked on 10:29 < chris_99> ahh, does that make it similar to how an SMPS works then, if you use inductors? 10:32 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:34 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.101] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.101] has quit [Changing host] 10:34 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 < kanzure> http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/06/10/crap-courtesy-of-a-major-scientific-publisher 10:43 < kanzure> "Maybe what is needed is a “tiger team” approach to validating editorial and peer review. That is, papers should be concocted and submitted which contain clearly detectable errors or falsifications, with the intent of testing the editors and reviewers. If they don’t spot the bogosity and approve the paper, they get dinged. Multiple dings, and the ding score gets published. If the ding score goes high enough, the publishers or ... 10:43 < kanzure> ... reviewers lose credentials." 10:52 < kanzure> peerj and other startups would probably fund that 10:52 < kanzure> but they would need to have a credible alternative to that system of peer review (e.g. can't be "just the same thing, this time with different overlords") 10:58 < pasky> one issue is that it raises the cost of being a reviewer, you suddenly have a risk there; and it's largely altruistic activity (you have some incentive to learn some hot stuff ahead of the curve, but usually it's no hot stuff) 10:59 < kanzure> making it altruistic-only is probably a mistake 11:02 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@2a00:f41:2080:645b:de85:deff:fe55:967a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:40 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:37 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@2a00:f41:2080:645b:de85:deff:fe55:967a] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:53 < kanzure> "The first successful treatment of malignant cutaneous tumors implanted in mice was completed in 2007 by a group of scientists who achieved complete tumor ablation in 12 out of 13 mice. They accomplished this by sending 80 pulses of 100 microseconds at 0.3 Hz with an electrical field magnitude of 2500 V/cm to treat the cutaneous tumors.[5]" 12:55 < kanzure> wikipedia article on electroporation does not say whether AC is a requirement, or what sort of wave shapes to bother with 12:56 < kanzure> "Electroporation is a multi-step process with several distinct phases.[15] First, a short electrical pulse must be applied. Typical parameters would be 300–400 mV for < 1 ms across the membrane (note- the voltages used in cell experiments are typically much larger because they are being applied across large distances to the bulk solution so the resulting field across the actual membrane is only a small fraction of the applied bias). ... 12:56 < kanzure> ... Upon application of this potential the membrane charges like a capacitor through the migration of ions from the surrounding solution. Once the critical field is achieved there is a rapid localized rearrangement in lipid morphology. The resulting structure is believed to be a “pre-pore” since it is not electrically conductive but leads rapidly to the creation of a conductive pore.[16] Evidence for the existence of such pre-pores ... 12:56 < kanzure> ... comes mostly from the “flickering” of pores, which suggests a transition between conductive and insulating states.[17] It has been suggested that these pre-pores are small (~3 Å) hydrophobic defects. If this theory is correct, then the transition to a conductive state could be explained by a rearrangement at the pore edge, in which the lipid heads fold over to create a hydrophilic interface. Finally, these conductive pores can ... 12:56 < kanzure> ... either heal, resealing the bilayer or expand, eventually rupturing it. The resultant fate depends on whether the critical defect size was exceeded[18] which in turn depends on the applied field, local mechanical stress and bilayer edge energy." 12:59 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 -!- archels [charl@unaffiliated/archels] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59 -!- archels [charl@toad.stack.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- augur_ [~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:e838:73cf:737c:5ad0] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:b977:cf6c:97b3:97c0] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:20 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:20 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:26 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@92.176.142.156] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 14:33 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.101] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.101] has quit [Changing host] 14:33 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:34 -!- augur_ [~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:e838:73cf:737c:5ad0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59 -!- ArvinJA [~ArvinJA@web208.webfaction.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:00 -!- ArvinJA [~ArvinJA@web208.webfaction.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:20 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ktmrpipjjzbpurav] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 -!- Regex [~Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159::3928] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- lexande [~lexande@87.62.236.23.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:33 -!- augur [~augur@c-50-136-228-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:03 -!- Orpheon_ [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:07 -!- Orpheon_ [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Client Quit] 17:07 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@63.75.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:07 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:32 < kanzure> andrew suggests naming it "rainmaker" 17:32 < kanzure> "because when it rains, it pores" 17:34 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:37 < nmz787_i> hmm, not bad 17:38 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ktmrpipjjzbpurav] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:45 -!- augur [~augur@c-50-136-228-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47 < fenn> bad 17:48 < kanzure> i am not entirely sure how strong the science is regarding pore creation, that chunk of wikipedia text is not encouraging 17:57 -!- augur [~augur@c-50-136-228-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:39 -!- Darius [~quassel@cpe-158-222-160-123.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:57 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: patch tuesday!] 19:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:35 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.96] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 -!- Darius [~quassel@cpe-158-222-160-123.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@2602:30a:2c94:5460:3472:a59e:2599:724d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@2602:30a:2c94:5460:3472:a59e:2599:724d] has quit [Changing host] 20:00 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:22 -!- CuriousCat is now known as CuriouScat 20:28 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evztyxpqloufkvyy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 < kanzure> "Instead of piezo starter, I am eager to have someone look at my HV power supply which can get up to 1800 VDC open circuit. (A cuvette is an open circuit.) The diy power supply plans are in the latest issue of BioCoder just out." 20:56 < kanzure> oh i wonder if nobody has used that yet. maybe that's the issue. 21:17 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:20 < nmz787_i> why does he want someone to use that? 21:20 < nmz787_i> I mean, it's nice for a reference, but it isn't ideal for this application I think, since we want small size and pulses via coils allow size reduction 21:22 < nmz787_i> and when did anyone recently mention piezo??? 21:25 < justanotheruser> someone say piezo? 21:26 < nmz787_i> more like paleasssee-o 21:26 < justanotheruser> where do I get a low piezoelectric coefficient piezo tube now-a-days 21:29 < justanotheruser> sensor technology seems to not want to sell them in single units 21:30 < nmz787_i> hmm, never heard of them before, makes sense though, the tube would give you more movement dynamic range right? 21:30 < justanotheruser> more than what 21:30 < nmz787_i> I wonder if you could use thermal expansion anisotropy 21:31 < nmz787_i> mroe than a thin piezo disc 21:31 < nmz787_i> more* 21:31 < nmz787_i> like a tube with nichrome running axially 21:32 < justanotheruser> I'm not sure. 21:32 < justanotheruser> If the disks can be made with the same precision, I don't mind getting a disk 21:36 < nmz787_i> well you would get less flex, I think 21:36 < nmz787_i> if that is the case, look for a $1 or so buzzer 21:36 < nmz787_i> no idea on the precision 21:37 < nmz787_i> I'd guess it would have more imprecision between buzzers, than within a single unit 21:37 < nmz787_i> but again, I have no idea 21:37 < justanotheruser> the buzzers are buzzers because they don't require much electricity to move 21:38 < justanotheruser> to get the same precision, I'd need to have the same variance in voltage with significantly smaller voltage 21:52 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- augur [~augur@c-50-136-228-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03 < nmz787_i> justanotheruser: ah, hmm, that seems to be the opposite of what I was thinking :) 22:22 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbqyigldtpqlzdyb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:41 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-202-137-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:02 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:11 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evztyxpqloufkvyy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:32 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46 -!- CuriouScat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has quit [Quit: * * * * *] --- Log closed Wed Jun 15 00:00:30 2016