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00:56 < fenn> .g ytong
00:56 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, that command (.g) crashed.
00:57 < fenn> .wik ytong
00:57 < yoleaux> "Autoclaved aerated concrete (AAC), also known as autoclaved cellular concrete (ACC), autoclaved lightweight concrete (ALC), autoclaved concrete, cellular concrete, porous concrete, Aircrete, Hebel Block, and Ytong is a lightweight, precast, Foam concrete building material invented in the mid-1920s that simultaneously provides structure,  …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ytong
00:57 < fenn> i'd imagine you could get oriented strand basalt by blowing a jet of basalt dust through a solar concentrator focal point
00:58 < fenn> which seems a lot more useful than yet another aerated refractory block
00:58 < fenn> well, not much of a refractory anyway
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01:04 < fenn> now you can get foamed magnesium oxide and glass fiber sandwich insulation construction panels which just screw together and you have a wall
01:12 < FourFire> > docl> I'm thinking it could rendezvous with a chunk of space junk, converting it into a larger propulsion system and power collector, then keep grabbing more and more chunks to bootstrap.
01:13 < FourFire> I've thought about this and hae concluded that we need to make a land based seed factory first, then miniturize to prodce the prerequiste technology
01:16 < FourFire> > <kanzure> it doesn't matter whta he calls them if he never figured out the details
01:17 < FourFire> There's a guy at my hackespace working on automating input, work, output, storage of job, next input for shopbots, well he says he is, results remain to be seen.
01:17 < FourFire> > <docl> something that has to function on earth over a long period of time seems to have different design constraints than space
01:17 < FourFire> most of them less strict
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05:05 < kanzure> shopbot doesn't count as a manufacturing process, really..... it's more like: find weird materials and find weird obscure manufacturing processes.
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07:21 < kanzure> "HGP-write had its genesis last summer, according to Kelly Servick at Science, when futurist Andrew Hessel made what one scientist called “‘this impassioned speech’ for a new human genome project that would capture the public’s imagination and inspire the field around a single goal."
07:21 < kanzure> ah it was his idea. figures.
07:22 < kanzure> "From his new post at the MIT Media Lab, Esvelt says in the Nature post that he and others are launching “the Responsive Science Project to enable gene-drive scientists to share their plans and research with one another and with interested communities. We hope that it will become a central repository of ideas and information relevant to gene-drive research that will permit open assessment and critique before experiments begin.”
07:22 < kanzure> "
07:22 < kanzure> "The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has given more than $40 million to a project planning to spread sterile mosquitoes in Africa by 2029."
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07:45 < kanzure> "as well as sharing of CRISPR tools from over 80 labs through addgene.org"
07:58 < kanzure> i wonder if venter or church would go for a "minimum brain" project. probably wouldn't be a human brain.
08:06 < xentrac> fenn: neat, I didn't know about Ytong
08:07 < xentrac> and yeah, if you could get basalt fiber to be cheap, that would be super useful
08:14 < kanzure> with large-scale dna synthesis or genome synthesis, i don't think human genomes are an interesting target, but there's probably something you could do with molecular nanotechnology (proteins as lego) which would get you pretty far on lots of problems.
08:14 < kanzure> over time you coud replace certain aspects of human genome with rationally-designed alternatives, or just excise it from the genome and use molecular nanotechnology as vitamin parts that get added to the goop.
08:15 < kanzure> (fwiw i have lately been of the opinion that most healthcare problems like longevity aren't going to be solved biologically, it will be through uploading because nobody wants to maintain and fix all of the shit biology shit)
08:17 < kanzure> so far i haven't figured out whether genome synthesis can particularly help brain uploading efforts, except that "hey you can make a million novel fluorescent markers and other signal reporters" which is certainly helpful but i'm not sure receptor scanning is sufficient. you can probably use lots of dna synthesis to create proteins that label and mark any sort of activity you want, and the proteins could stay around for minutes, hours or ...
08:18 < kanzure> ... days, so there's lots of different activity in the brain that could be highlighted and then scanned immediately or later.
08:18 < kanzure> iirc the bottleneck on neuronal molecular ticker tape (to record a log of all action potentials) was not protein engineering (was it?)
08:29 < kanzure> re: replacing nondeterministic biology shit with rationally-designed alternatives, i guess the easiest metaphor for this would be an organelle enclosure with basic sensors and internal molecular machinery, analogous to the symbiosis with mitochondria
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09:05 < kanzure> .title https://cibolo.us/pipermail/open_electroporator/2016-June/000095.html
09:05 < yoleaux> [Open_electroporator] Culture Shock transformer tests
09:09 < JayDugger> Good morning.
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09:19 < mz_o__> morning JayDugger
09:19 < mz_o__> rather good afternoon now
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09:45 < delinquentme> kanzure: you have data that shows that you code more when you talk to ppl more right?
09:45 < delinquentme> Does you have hypothesis on why true?
09:46 < kanzure> my immense hatred of people
09:47 < chris_99> heh
09:50 < Regex__> The cycle of spiiiiiite
09:51 < Urchin[emacs]> lol
09:51 < Urchin[emacs]> well, that's good motivation...
09:56 < delinquentme> kanz
09:56 < delinquentme> du think its because we're social creatures?
09:56 < delinquentme> and that stuff does stuff in brain when we socialize and thus we're more closer to natural behavioral state
09:56 < delinquentme> and stuf works
09:56 < delinquentme> ^ my hippocampus
09:58 < delinquentme> gel electrophoresis and anions / cations
09:58 < delinquentme> why do we not see bi-directional migration in gel electrophoresis ?
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10:00 < fenn> yes molecular ticker tape for neural recording is limited by protein engineering skillz
10:00 < fenn> also gene therapy is still kinda wonky
10:01 < fenn> also you need some way of getting the ticker tape out of the body without making a mess
10:01 < fenn> autoimmune reactions to the brain would be bad
10:25 < kanzure> oh you wanted to preserve the brain when removing ticker tape? pfffft
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11:00 < mokstar> so, I got drunk and let Amal put a chip in my hand
11:01 < mokstar> and now I can't find any non-root-required app that will let me unlock my phone with it
11:01 < kanzure> are you here to get help to remove it?
11:01 < mokstar> #earlyadopterproblems
11:01 < xentrac> maybe you should root your phone
11:02 < mokstar> naa, I'm here to idle and watch people talk about stuff
11:03 < mokstar> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4143
11:03 < kanzure> "a phenomenon called "solvent cavitation under solvo-phobic confinement," which involves liquid spontaneously evaporating after being confined within tiny, water-fearing spaces"
11:04 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVhwoUNpgA
11:04 < kanzure> "Anomalous water expulsion from carbon-based rods at high humidity" http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2016.91.html
11:05 < kanzure> "we show that carbon-based rods can adsorb water at low humidity and spontaneously expel about half of the adsorbed water when the relative humidity exceeds a 50–80% threshold. The water expulsion is reversible, and is attributed to the interfacial forces between the confined rod surfaces. At wide rod spacings, a monolayer of water can form on the surface of the carbon-based rods, which subsequently leads to condensation in the ...
11:05 < kanzure> ... confined space between adjacent rods. As the relative humidity increases, adjacent rods (confining surfaces) in the bundles are drawn closer together via capillary forces. At high relative humidity, and once the size of the confining surfaces has decreased to a critical length, a surface-induced evaporation phenomenon known as solvent cavitation occurs and water that had condensed inside the confined area is released as a vapour."
11:09 < delinquentme> kanzure: so you're bundling this up, deploying on baloons
11:09 < delinquentme> and making it, actually, rain ?
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11:13 < kanzure> dunno, i haven't read enough about the interaction of water vapor and confined spaces to say whether that's feasible or more interesting than forced climate engineering things
11:14 < mokstar> I wonder if it works on seawater
11:19 < kanzure> delinquentme: what is the status of your AFM and nanotube things
11:20 < delinquentme> nanotube joining proposal was denied from the molecular foundry
11:21 < delinquentme> because they though i overlooked the complexity of CNT manipulation
11:21 < delinquentme> which is thing is bullshit
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11:21 < delinquentme> because im PRETTY fucking sure w the right instrument its straightforward.
11:21 < delinquentme> AFM works and is chilling 4 feet from me
11:22 < kanzure> have you moved anything with the AFM
11:22 < kanzure> are you doing any STM things? i forget.
11:24 < kanzure> you should spam us with images taken by AFM
11:28 < xentrac> delinquentme: you built a working AFM? congratulations!
11:29 < delinquentme> ja
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11:31 < xentrac> that's awesome! are you getting imagery from it?
11:39 < delinquentme> http://imgur.com/a/8a9WX
11:39 < delinquentme> kanzure: xentrac ^^
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11:39 < delinquentme> everything is Gold plating on nickel except for the last 3 which are HOPG
11:40 < chris_99> are all those pics STM?
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11:40 < delinquentme> da
11:40 < delinquentme> the first one too
11:41 < delinquentme> super high resolution + false coloring
11:41 < chris_99> what design are you use for the AFM stuff?
11:41 < delinquentme> https://dberard.com/home-built-stm/
11:41 < delinquentme> its nearly the same as that guys
11:42 < delinquentme> we've got a bit of a different piezo mount though
11:42 < delinquentme> electrical contacts to the piezo are a fucking pain to hand mount
11:43 < chris_99> ah cool, so both are ones , are where the sample sits on a quadrant piezo thing?
11:45 < delinquentme> samples are conductively glued to a metal puck ( punch out from a galvanized conduit box ) then are run to the control circuits
11:45 < delinquentme> piezo sits above with the pokey stroker combing downward against the sample
11:46 < chris_99> sorry i'm confused, so you're saying the piezo isn't below the sample, to move it?
11:48 < chris_99> oh i see what you mean
11:48 < chris_99> looking at the photo
11:49 < chris_99> in the STM link
11:51 < chris_99> are you saying the AFM setup uses that same principle then, of moving the head?
11:52 < delinquentme> thats a complex question to answer
11:52 < delinquentme> afm works on vanderwaals  where as this works on tunneling
11:52 < delinquentme> while both use piezos ( most likley ) for rasterizing surfaces
11:53 < chris_99> sorry, i just mean are you moving the sample with AFM, or the probe
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11:55 < nmz787_i> https://twitter.com/sonic_bruce
11:55 < nmz787_i> .title
11:55 < yoleaux> Bruce Drinkwater (@sonic_bruce) | Twitter
11:56 < chris_99> nmz787_i, did you see his graph for the ultrasonic power
11:56 < chris_99> to lift humans
11:58 < nmz787_i> hmm, I think it was enormous
11:58 < nmz787_i> if i saw it
11:58 < delinquentme> the thing i built is an STM.  and the sample is stationary while the probe is mobile
11:58 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: yes we see bidirectional migration... depends on the ion bra
11:59 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: bra as in brother  ;)
11:59 < delinquentme> nmz787_i: so if you setup a gel box with positive and negatively charged proteins, and set the well in the center of the gel
11:59 < delinquentme> you'd see migration in both directions ?
11:59 < nmz787_i> yeah
12:00 < nmz787_i> they tweak buffers that way too, to have cross-currents
12:00 < delinquentme> seems like a way to get better resolution at faster speeds no ?
12:00 < delinquentme> i mean IF you have both negative / positive
12:00 < nmz787_i> I'd say it depends
12:01 < nmz787_i> haha
12:01 < delinquentme> since they're traveling in different directions ... one could argue that the inter band resolution would be more distinct ?
12:01 < nmz787_i> blanket statement to get me out
12:01 < nmz787_i> interband of a group with the same-charge?
12:01 < nmz787_i> just look up 2d gel electrophoresis I guess
12:02 < delinquentme> no i just mean because they're traveling in different directions you'd get faster separation
12:02 < delinquentme> agarose is fucking amazing hahaha
12:02 < nmz787_i> likely most experiments are looking for a certain type of protein where they know the charge, so the other stuff is crap that doesn't matter
12:03 < xentrac> delinquentme: so you're able to position the head with roughly nanometer precision?  that's an STM, not the AFM?
12:03 < delinquentme> nmz787_i: quick: whats the most complex subsystem of a HPLC?
12:03 < xentrac> how cold did you have to get it?
12:04 < delinquentme> xentrac: room temp , standard 1 atmosphere
12:04 < delinquentme> sexy huh.
12:04 < xentrac> unbelievably sexy
12:04 < delinquentme> and its a scanning tunneling microscope
12:04 < delinquentme> its fucking TINY too dude.
12:04 < delinquentme> like the head that does the business fits in a 3in cube
12:04 < xentrac> using piezo actuators from speakers, or what?
12:04 < delinquentme> yap !
12:04 < delinquentme> piezo buzzer cut into 4ths
12:05 < xentrac> and a fractured tungsten wire probe, or what?
12:05 < xentrac> how fast are you scanning?
12:07 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: well the pump is high-pressure, the capillary/tubing/column is small and materials-scienced-up... then there's some sort of detector of your choice (electronic or photonic) and then a spigot basically for taking fractions off.
12:08 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: most complex other than all that is DSP/processing/pattern-recognition-shit
12:08 < delinquentme> materials-scienced-up ??
12:08 < nmz787_i> yeah dude
12:08 < nmz787_i> you don't know about matSci?
12:08 < nmz787_i> :P
12:08 < nmz787_i> they're coated with various hsit
12:08 < nmz787_i> surface-chemistry
12:09 < delinquentme> Ohhh sure sure
12:09 < delinquentme> or supre complex rexins w silly high surface areas
12:09 < delinquentme> pump id buy OEM
12:09 < delinquentme> i thought the valves would be the worst part
12:10 < delinquentme> also were looking specifically @ Ion Chromatography ... so the resins are like supz simple
12:10 < delinquentme> UGHHHHHHHHHH
12:10 < delinquentme> my water bottle isnt at my desk
12:10 < delinquentme> fuck
12:10 < delinquentme> i need to stand up
12:10 < xentrac> that's terrible
12:10 < xentrac> I feel for you
12:10 < nmz787_i> i'd just buy something cheap from ebay to start, and probably wouldn't  make my own column
12:11 < xentrac> (I'm going to feel really bad now if it turns out you have cerebral palsy or something so that standing up is actually a major effort)
12:11 < delinquentme> LOL
12:11 < delinquentme> <3
12:11 < delinquentme> i do
12:11 < delinquentme> i understand tho
12:11 < delinquentme> ask my friends
12:11 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: if you have a peltier nearby, just condense some moisture into your mouth
12:11 < delinquentme> they know *something* is wrong here
12:12 < delinquentme> TRUE
12:12 < delinquentme> except not within reach distance
12:12 < nmz787_i> damn
12:12 < delinquentme> i have tubes and a 2liter of mountain dew that I can see
12:12 < delinquentme> but
12:12 < nmz787_i> compressed air can?
12:12 < nmz787_i> you can get some ice build up
12:12 < delinquentme> nope
12:12 < delinquentme> actually nix that
12:12 < delinquentme> i've started just licking myself
12:12 < nmz787_i> that will just cause evaporation
12:13 < nmz787_i> you're dying now
12:14 < nmz787_i> .wik Strained silicon
12:14 < yoleaux> "Strained silicon is a layer of silicon in which the silicon atoms are stretched beyond their normal interatomic distance. This can be accomplished by putting the layer of silicon over a substrate of silicon germanium (SiGe)." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strained_silicon
12:14 < nmz787_i> the greek-yogurt of the semiconductor world
12:14 < nmz787_i> lol
12:15 < delinquentme> i dont understand
12:15 < nmz787_i> dehydration?
12:15 < nmz787_i> oh
12:16 < nmz787_i> isn't greek yogurt strained?
12:16 < nmz787_i> :)
12:16 < delinquentme> oh
12:16 < delinquentme> lol.
12:16 < delinquentme> isnt all yogurt ?
12:16 < nmz787_i> nah
12:16 < delinquentme> *insert some lewd ref about hunching over and making animal noises *
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12:23 < xentrac> delinquentme: sorry :(
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12:31 < delinquentme> xentrac: call it even if you come clean out my tracheotomy spit catcher
12:33 < xentrac> that sounds like a great deal if I get to learn more about your STM
12:33 < xentrac> where are you?
12:33 < delinquentme> hahahahah
12:33 < delinquentme> San Fran
12:33 < delinquentme> specifically oakland
12:33 < delinquentme> but SF is where the partyz at
12:34 < xentrac> can't make it there this month, maybe soon
12:34 < delinquentme> thats gonna be a lot of drool to clean
12:34 < delinquentme> a month?
12:34 < delinquentme> thats like
12:34 < delinquentme> gallons.
12:34 < delinquentme> not to even consider that its gon be festering @ body temp in moist dark places
12:37 < xentrac> you'll have to find something else to do with it in the meantime
13:00 < nmz787_i> cryo-statis should do the triclk
13:03 < nmz787_i> met this guy last week, he gave a talk on resurrecting his SEM: http://hackerfriendly.com/tag/sem/
13:04 < nmz787_i> http://hackerfriendly.com/about/
13:04 < chris_99> cool!
13:05 < mokstar> were you at toorcamp?
13:05 < nmz787_i> ya
13:05 < nmz787_i> mokstar: you?
13:05 < mokstar> neat, me too, in the milliways camp
13:05 < nmz787_i> ah, cool
13:06 < nmz787_i> i was over in dorkbot
13:06 < mokstar> nice, I need to look up how to make those buckets :D
13:06  * mokstar wants one for no good reason.
13:06 < nmz787_i> i didn't know MLP got married there until after I saw pics on facebook
13:06 < mokstar> I don't know'm, I'm new
13:06 < nmz787_i> yeah they were pretty cool, esp8266 with some neopixel strips vertically inside on a PVC pipe
13:07 < nmz787_i> I think she was in milliways
13:07 < Aurelius_Work2> nmz787_i : yeah, though I think an island was also involved somehow?
13:07 < nmz787_i> she is tall and had pink hair
13:07 < Aurelius_Work2> (I was not at camp, but I am friends with mlp)
13:07 < mokstar> she didn't hang out in the dome much
13:07 < mokstar> probably busy :p
13:07 < nmz787_i> Aurelius_Work2: yea it was on an island
13:07 < nmz787_i> Aurelius_Work2: she got married in the lecture dome
13:07 < Aurelius_Work2> ah cool
13:08 < mokstar> I think I was busy saturating my brain with cannabinoids
13:08 < nmz787_i> by the facedancer guy (minister i guess)
13:08 < nmz787_i> haha
13:08 < nmz787_i> mokstar: where are you normally based out of?
13:08 < mokstar> Seattle
13:08 < nmz787_i> ah nice
13:08 < mokstar> you're a stumptowner, I'm assuming
13:08 < nmz787_i> not too far then from me in Portland
13:08 < nmz787_i> ya
13:09 < mokstar> I lived there for ~10yrs, then took a job with the local internet retailer last year
13:09 < nmz787_i> cool
13:09 < Aurelius_Work2> mokstar : what part of Seattle? I'm in the process of trying to move to Bellevue (or one of the other burbs)
13:09 < mokstar> Cap Hill
13:09 < nmz787_i> some guys were talking about a company up there called 'wave' I think
13:09 < nmz787_i> all wireless for tall buildings
13:10 < mokstar> https://gowaveg.com/
13:10 < Aurelius_Work2> mokstar : ah, k. I'm talking to Apptio in the next few days
13:11 < mokstar> I try not to drive, so I've learned absolutely nothing about the nearby stuf
13:11 < Aurelius_Work2> ah, yeah
13:11 < Aurelius_Work2> I don't like living in cities
13:11 < mokstar> I love being able to just walk anywhere I want
13:11 < mokstar> though, there's a few more hills in Seattle than in Portland...
13:11 < nmz787_i> yeah I live in the burbs myself
13:12 < nmz787_i> i technically live in a city, but the neighborhood is a nice pocket of 100+ ft tall trees
13:12 < nmz787_i> so it feels pretty rural until you drive to the end of my dead-end street and plop out onto main st 10 mins walk to downtown
13:13 < nmz787_i> i would like to live actually-rural someday
13:13 < delinquentme> horrifying
13:13 < delinquentme> city city city
13:13 < xentrac> mokstar: yeah, I think this last couple of weeks have been pretty busy for MLP
13:13 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: you could drool freely out there
13:13 < delinquentme> LOL
13:13 < delinquentme> i do now
13:14 < delinquentme> i jsut sit in a plastic kiddie pool
13:14 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: glistening all over in mucosal goodness
13:14 < nmz787_i> eww
13:14 < delinquentme> todays fav word
13:14 < delinquentme> mucosal
13:14 < nmz787_i> I bet people throw money in the pool at you
13:14 < delinquentme> impracticing for a triathlon
13:14 < delinquentme> where i just pee
13:14 < nmz787_i> 'that poor poor man-child-beast'
13:14 < delinquentme> HAHAHAHAHA
13:18 < nmz787_i> mokstar: so it sounds like it was your first toorcamp? it was my first, it was a great time... a lot better than Las Vegas as a venue IMO
13:19 < nmz787_i> I was definitely out of my element as far as hacking electronics/computers... cold+rain == me scared of electronics damage
13:35 < mokstar> Yep
13:35 < mokstar> hehehe, yeah, the sleeping-on-hard-ground thing took a little getting used to
13:35 < mokstar> which means I'll be shopping for a better camping mattress next year :p
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14:43 < mokstar> haha, laaame
14:43 < mokstar> my old cell phone doesn't support writing to my xNT tag :D
14:43 < mokstar> it'll read it though
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15:33 < kanzure> nmz787: andrew suggests the name "pulse"
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16:31 < delinquentme> ok so whats intereting at the intersection of weed and hard tech
16:32 < delinquentme> suggestions include: sorting out if theres some kinda hormone suppliment equivalent for the male plants to turn them into weed growing females
16:32 < delinquentme> purification of CBD for medical use + selling to pharma ( thought this might already be supplied )
16:34 < delinquentme> mass spec on weed plants for desireable compounds
16:35 < chris_99> isn't there already a way
16:35 < chris_99> to get feminized seeds
16:39 < chris_99> oh interesting, it's done by spraying the plants before they flower with something like colloidal silver
16:40 < chris_99> *after they flower
16:41 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: super/sub critical CO2 extractors are pretty useful for other things
16:41 < nmz787_i> such as critical point drying for SEM....  making aerogels
16:42 < nmz787_i> coffee decaffination
16:42 < chris_99> oh sorry, you mentioned turning existing plants into female ones
16:42 < chris_99> they use co2 extraction for hop extract too
16:43 < chris_99> Krasnow has a cool DIY versio
16:43 < chris_99> *version
16:43 < nmz787_i> yeah
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16:44 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: also there is GMO being done on it
17:03 < delinquentme> nmz787_i: should i just hit up anything that mentions cannabis ?
17:04 < delinquentme> also dude. the fucking videos on uTub ... of people doing extractions. AMAZING. Theres shitloads of people with like stainless steel and pyrex stuff laying around their house.
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17:04 < delinquentme> I think Breaking Bad + legal weed has turned it pop to becoming a chemist
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17:58 < nmz787> mokstar: you got the free injection?
17:59 < mokstar> yep
17:59 < mokstar> kept the needle to scare my friends
17:59 < nmz787> haha
18:00 < nmz787> mokstar: I just have a foam pad from walmart that costs like $5, put a wool blanket on top of that, sheet, then sleeping bag
18:00 < mokstar> yeah, I tried layering blankets
18:00 < mokstar> did not work
18:01 < nmz787> hehe, I guess I've been camping pretty regularly for 10 years or so...
18:02 < nmz787> maybe 12
18:05 < mokstar> I haven't, still a camping newbie
18:05 < mokstar> gonna go more often though, now that I've got some gear and it's summer
18:07 < nmz787> yeah I haven't been going as much the last few years... strangely since I moved out here where it is so abundantly available
18:09 < mokstar> I took the kids to a camping spot nearby, it was awful
18:09 < mokstar> trains going by all night
18:09 < mokstar> that was near Portland though, looking forward to seeing what I can find up this way
18:10 < mokstar> they were like, "We want to go real camping, where there's not a water faucet and bathrooms and stuff."
18:11 < nmz787> mmm, yeah
18:12 < mokstar> all they really want to do is play with the camp fire and harass slugs
18:12 < mokstar> which is fine :)
18:12 < nmz787> I did an overnight above the columbia river gorge in march after hiking about 9 miles up the side of the gorge, and I still heard a train at night...
18:13 < mokstar> yep, the I-84 corridor
18:13 < nmz787> yeah
18:13  * mokstar will plan his next trip far away from any tracks.
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