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01:42 < archels_> "*existence* characterizes the constitutive preconditions under which something is real and factually present in the world, as an individuated entity open to possibilities and risks; *essence* defines the necessary preconditions under which something can be identified as itself, something that is what it is and does what it does."
01:42 < archels_> why do I even read philosophy papers, I wonder sometimes
01:43 < archels_> (re mind uploading)
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07:12 < kanzure> archels_: probably some form of masochism
07:14 < kanzure> "NASA, in partnership with the nonprofit Methuselah Foundation’s New Organ Alliance ... Vascular Tissue Challenge offers a $500,000 prize to be divided among the first three teams that successfully create thick, metabolically-functional human vascularized organ tissue in a controlled laboratory environment"
07:14 < kanzure> http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=26063973&msgid=597011&act=UV6P&c=1349553&destination=http%3A%2F%2F%2520https%3A%2F%2Fneworgan.org%2Fvtc-prize.php
07:14 < kanzure> idfjdsaoifajfdoiqfq
07:14 < kanzure> fuck 'em
07:14 < kanzure> https://neworgan.org/vtc-prize.php
07:14 < kanzure> http://www.nasa.gov/vtchallenge
07:15 < kanzure> ha/eww "An introduction to BioJavaScript – a growing library of JavaScript modules to represent biological data on the web"
07:16 < kanzure> june 28 in boston "single-cell genomics" conference thingy http://www.festivalofgenomicsboston.com/single-cells-genomics/
07:18 < kanzure> and the next day, "Single-cell whole transcriptome analysis of human brain stem cells", "Learnings from pooled screening and target validation using CRISPR", "The current state of the CRISPR toolbox: From libraries to effectors", "Think big, screen once: genome scale editing with high diversity libraries"
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07:21 < archels_> that canonical microcircuit paper was terrible, by the way
07:21 < archels_> we don't really know how the cortex works
07:22 < archels_> that is to say—there is a large disconnect between single-neuron and circuit-level understanding, and understanding at an abstract level such as "it's doing top-down and bottom-up integration"
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07:28 < kanzure> archels_: hm? the paper was not discussing single-neuron characterization AFAIK.
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07:32 < archels_> yes, it's more about network function, and what the network might be doing ("computing"?)
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08:26 < archels_> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng
08:26 < yoleaux> Introducing SpotMini - YouTube
08:26 < archels_> cutie
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10:05 < kanzure> "Long-term Planning Committee for the Human Race" '...also a Kafkaesque entry'
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11:19 < chris_99> Just got my diffraction gratings today :)  I'm looking into clamps that have a screw-in-base, so i could possibly screw them into metal frame
11:23 < nmz787_i> i printed that labjack but it failed to open because the orientation or too much support inside
11:23 < chris_99> awh :(
11:24 < nmz787_i> the screw and bolt-hole-piece worked surprisingly (after they were broken free of everything else)
11:25 < nmz787_i> the threads were ugly, but it screwed (though the screw itself was hollow and splintered when I first was trying to open the jack)
11:25 < nmz787_i> started printing again with different orientation and settings
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11:26 < chris_99> good luck
11:31 < nmz787_i> actually I am getting different print results in this room than when I had it on my kitchen table a few weeks ago... I think it was hotter then too
11:31 < nmz787_i> one side peeled up last print and this print
11:31 < nmz787_i> anyone here ever play with SAT solvers?
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13:29 < kanzure> blerp
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13:58 < nmz787_i> skibidibeebop
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14:07 < kanzure> way worse than that
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14:18 < nmz787_i> https://github.com/google/or-tools/blob/master/examples/python/discrete_tomography.py
14:19 < nmz787_i> steep learning curve on that ~100 lines :D
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16:34 < delinquentme> kanzure: im here to nanotube ... who was working on CNT work ?
16:34 < kanzure> genehacker, probably
16:34 < kanzure> let me see if he's still alive
16:35 < kanzure> he has been summoned
16:36 < kanzure> also the various users of VASP..
16:37 < delinquentme> VASP ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Ab_initio_Simulation_Package ?
16:38 < kanzure> ya
16:38 < kanzure> also you can plunder my old collection http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/carbon-nanotubes/
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17:20 < kanzure> delinquentme: geneh^
17:20 < kanzure> geneh: what's new/old?
17:20 < delinquentme> geneh: you around?
17:20 < delinquentme> nice !
17:20 < geneh> Not much
17:20 < delinquentme> geneh: kanzure said you're working on some carbon nanotube stuff.
17:20 < geneh> Nope
17:20 < delinquentme> Im in a holding pattern right now on some of my own
17:21 < geneh> I work on MOFs
17:21 < delinquentme> OH. I dont even know what that is
17:21 < kanzure> nope i said geneh probably knows about CNT things
17:21 < delinquentme> OHHHHH
17:21 < delinquentme> iz true geneh ?
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17:23 < geneh> Maybe?
17:25 < delinquentme> So my initial proposal to the Molecular Foundry was denied under the grounds that I was unaware of how complex actuating individual CNTs actually are
17:26 < delinquentme> I think this is probably somewhat difficult ... but not actually something thats say ... *weeks* of work
17:26 < delinquentme> thoughts?
17:27 < xentrac> nmz787_i: I didn't know you worked for Norsam
17:27 < xentrac> apparently there's a mass market: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/nanorosetta-uses-tech-to-fit-entire-bible-on-pendants/3894311/
17:29 < geneh> What are you trying to do?
17:30 < geneh> Also any of you know people who work at madeinspace?
17:31 < kanzure> nope. should i try to fix this?
17:32 < delinquentme> geneh: im trying to orient 2 CNTs co-axially with the intent of annealing them w atomic perfection
17:32 < geneh> That is really really hard
17:32 < delinquentme> yes i know the perfection part is worrysome but this protocol has already been proven without it ...
17:32 < delinquentme> simply by *viewing them* with a sufficiently energetic / resolved SEM
17:32 < geneh> Yeah that
17:32 < geneh> Why?
17:33 < delinquentme> also i've got liek 6 other possible protocols to try to make atomically perfect CNTs
17:33 < delinquentme> geneh: if i can make pounds of the stuff i have a killer app :D
17:33 < kanzure> joining?
17:33 < delinquentme> government would by the shit up lik woah.
17:33 < geneh> Which is?
17:33 < delinquentme> under NDA on that
17:33 < delinquentme> =]
17:33 < kanzure> joining.
17:33 < delinquentme> kanzure: what :D ?
17:33 < kanzure> it's your "joining CNTs together" proposal
17:34 < geneh> http://m.phys.org/news/2016-06-power-co2-emissions-carbon-nanotubes.html
17:34 < geneh> So you want cheap carbon nanotubes
17:35 < geneh> You want to make a space elevator
17:35 < delinquentme> kanzure: what is ? The killer app ? No.
17:35 < geneh> So how are you going to line them up?
17:37 < kanzure> who is phenolphtalein
17:37 < delinquentme> geneh: AFM
17:37 < geneh> Here is what made in space is working on
17:37 < geneh> https://medium.com/made-in-space/how-we-want-to-turn-asteroids-into-spacecraft-e95d3214d787#.icv7eukoq
17:37 < delinquentme> it was my understanding , as well as a claim from another MolFoundry scientist that an Asylum AFM had the capacity to push individual CNTs around
17:38 < geneh> That sounds incredibly time consuming
17:38 < delinquentme> geneh
17:38 < geneh> Oh wait really
17:38 < delinquentme> all totally automateable as well.
17:39 < geneh> I'm not so sure about that
17:39 < geneh> I'm not so sure that you'd be able to get the precision to do that
17:39 < geneh> No
17:40 < geneh> And I don't think it will scale
17:40 < delinquentme> geneh: my logic on it is that the shapes are very rudimentary and with the correct substrate linearization  protocol
17:40 < delinquentme> they'd all be of aligned and non-stacked
17:40 < delinquentme> NOW. determination of width .. could be another consideration
17:40 < delinquentme> and for atomic perfection that needs to be handled
17:41 < geneh> What about matching chirality?
17:41 < delinquentme> geneh: i have a STM on my desk that takes of 3in^3
17:41 < delinquentme> i dont buy that it wont scale
17:41 < delinquentme> chirality can be sorted spectroscopically prior to linearizing
17:42 < nmz787_i> xentrac: yeah, if you have potential business please send it my way
17:42 < geneh> Not to mention that when nanotubes are annealled by electron beams you tend to get defects
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17:43 < geneh> How much of nanotube product are you making
17:43 < nmz787_i> geneh: maybe defects of some % are tolerable?
17:43 < nmz787_i> just limit the strength?
17:46 < delinquentme> geneh thats all depending on the power of beam
17:46 < delinquentme> also!
17:46 < delinquentme> geneh
17:46 < delinquentme> you'd be interested to know I also submitted protocols for what I've referred to as "ironing out" of defects
17:46 < delinquentme> apparently with the right catalyst one can push defects along the length of a CNT
17:46 < geneh> Also on how accurately can align them
17:47 < xentrac> nmz787_i: do you have a ballpark on costs?
17:47 < delinquentme> so theres a possibility that if the joint has defects ... then then can be pushed away from the center
17:47 < xentrac> I would have thought they'd be too high for the mass-market thing
17:47 < delinquentme> geneh: piezos are sub angstrom
17:48 < geneh> As long as you are continously scanning from what I understand
17:48 < geneh> Also supposedly our lab group has an asylum
17:49 < nmz787_i> xentrac: shop rate is $375/hr... but they are flexible with initial development talks and sometimes proof-of-concept if its quick enough
17:49 < xentrac> because it's driven so many researchers insane, geneh?
17:49 < xentrac> nmz787_i: is it possible to do a thing in an hour?  the article I linked claimed that a Bible was four minutes
17:50 < xentrac> but presumably there's like setup time or something
17:50 < geneh> No an asylum microscope, they're a scope company
17:50 < kanzure> oh the AFM
17:51 < nmz787_i> xentrac: depends on what the starting material is, how much detail, if you need to break vacuum to change positions or etch or coat or clean, pre-processing, post-processing...
17:52 < xentrac> nmz787_i: interesting
17:53 < geneh> Delinquetme, manipulating stuff on the nanoscale is still very hard
17:53 < geneh> Even manipulating stuff on the microscale is hard
17:54 < xentrac> that's why it's so hard for me to masturbate!
17:54 < delinquentme> ^^^ i know the feel man
17:54 < geneh> See the whole boondoggle with 3d chips
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18:07 < nmz787_i> lol
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18:09 < nmz787_i> xentrac: actually I can use Norsam facilities, they have a FIB that is finicky that we recently installed a DB9 feedthrough on for me to test x-ray detectors with
18:10 < nmz787_i> xentrac: we have a fume hood, sputter coaters, plasma cleaners, spin coater, optical microscopes
18:11 < Kryptus_Frost> spoiled much?
18:11 < Kryptus_Frost> lol
18:12 < nmz787_i> Kryptus_Frost: unfortunately I lack time, and too vast and numerous projects
18:12 < nmz787_i> I lack lackies
18:12 < nmz787_i> lackeys
18:12 < nmz787_i> subordinates?
18:12 < nmz787_i> technicians
18:12 < nmz787_i> partners even
18:13 < Kryptus_Frost> I hear that
18:13 < nmz787_i> !teammates
18:13 < xentrac> nmz787_i: that sounds super awesome
18:13 < xentrac> you need more robot lackeys
18:13 < Kryptus_Frost> 3d printed assistants
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18:17 < kanzure> "Automated design of flexible linkers for MOFs" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/chemistry/metal-organic-frameworks/Automated%20design%20of%20flexible%20linkers%20for%20MOFs%20-%20Manion%20-%202015.pdf
18:17 < docl> Made in Space is awesome
18:17 < CuriousCat> where are you guys doing nanofabrication? is it in a university lab?
18:19 < kanzure> where ever we want
18:19 < xentrac> I don't think any of us are successfully doing nanofabrication yet, CuriousCat :)
18:19 < CuriousCat> ok
18:20 < CuriousCat> because it would probably be very expensive to do so
18:20 < CuriousCat> unless you work at a university or a corporation that does it
18:20 < CuriousCat> i've heard of 'biohacker spaces' but not 'nanohacker spaces'
18:21 < kanzure> the name is not important
18:21 < CuriousCat> i was thinking more along the aligns of conventional mems/semiconductor processes, maybe mixed with some bottom-up processes
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18:58 < nmz787_i> yay for http://labix.org/python-constraint
18:58 < nmz787_i> .title
18:59 < yoleaux> python-constraint - Constraint Solving Problem resolver for Python
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19:12 < kanzure> "The Brain Forum 2016, held recently in EPFL Lausanne, Switzerland, welcomed 1400 visitors"
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19:13 < kanzure> http://thebrainforum.org/annual-conference/the-2016-conference
19:14 < kanzure> "moo-ming poo, china brain science project"
19:14 < kanzure> "christof koch, allen brain institute"
19:15 < kanzure> https://mcb.berkeley.edu/labs/poo/research/researchindex.htm
19:17 < kanzure> "International brain projects proposed" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6283/277
19:17 < kanzure> kavli foundation seems to be funding a bunch of this...
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