--- Log opened Sat Aug 06 00:00:18 2016
00:01 < nmz787> .wik Satisfiability modulo theories
00:01 < yoleaux> "In computer science and mathematical logic, the satisfiability modulo theories (SMT) problem is a decision problem for logical formulas with respect to combinations of background theories expressed in classical first-order logic with equality." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfiability_modulo_theories
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01:18 < nmz787> kanzure: sci-hub statistics could be interesting, as in, it could indicate interesting developments because interesting people are using the site?
01:26 < ebowden> Interesting in what way?
01:33 < nmz787> I guess requesting an article doesn't mean it is a good article, but it could  be an interesting topic in general due to people who want articles bad enough that they deal with trying 5 different URLs before finding a site that works, etc (posting to PDF request groups)
01:35 < ebowden> In what way are those people interesting?
01:35 < ebowden> Even I use sci-hub.
01:37 < nmz787> yes, and you use IRC
01:38 < ebowden> That makes me interesting?
01:38 < ebowden> The word you're looking for is "autistic".
01:42 < ebowden> Despite wearing a big coat and talking about the explosives detectors don't pick up well, I get through airport security easy because people think I'm retarded.
01:43 < ebowden> *easily
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03:14 < nmz787> .tell ebowden the only other autistic (or nearly so) person I can think of doesn't use scihub or IRC or do anything I'd really consider interesting
03:14 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to ebowden.
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05:23 < thesnark> hey everyone
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06:21 < streety> hi thesnark
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06:30 < kanzure> nmz787: there was a paper about scihub statistics actually
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07:32 < fenn> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/whos-downloading-pirated-papers-everyone http://datadryad.org/resource/doi:10.5061/dryad.q447c just geographical information, not about which papers were being downloaded
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08:39 < kanzure> hmph
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10:16 < kanzure> yashgaroth: sup
10:16 < yashgaroth> yo
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10:48 < kanzure> "KIC 8462852 faded throughout the Kepler mission" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.01316v1.pdf
10:51 < thesnark> kanzure I made an arxiv paper scraper bot
10:51 < thesnark> really it's for monitoring new papers about topics and mass downloads
10:57 < kanzure> i only recently found out how to get arxiv to show indexes of older publications
11:02 < thesnark> :D
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11:10 < thesnark> https://gist.github.com/mgrube/cd01c37646321c1c52bb1531d026a040
11:10 < thesnark> not too complicated
11:10 < thesnark> also ol
11:10 < thesnark> dd
11:10 < thesnark> combine that with some python pdf libraries and you can extract topics
11:11 < thesnark> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html
11:11 < thesnark> works well enough to pull abstracts reliably
11:11 < thesnark> can't say much about bodies...
11:16 < kanzure> use python-requests instead of httpib2
11:16 < kanzure> .. httplib2
11:16 < kanzure> and instead of urllib
11:17 < kanzure> re: abstracts and such, i recommend using zotero-translators.git which has hundreds of well-maintained javascript-based parsers for most academic publisher sites
11:17 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot is where i was last using zotero-translators
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11:19 < thesnark> kanzure, that is incredibly sexy
11:19 < thesnark> zotero-translators
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11:20 < kanzure> i like it because i don't have to maintain it
11:20 < thesnark> :p
11:21 < kanzure> why are all the machine learning python samples on github written so poorly? are these people programmers?
11:21 < thesnark> kanzure, largely they are not
11:21 < thesnark> well it depends on your definition of programmer
11:21 < thesnark> If "I read a book about python" means programmer, then yes
11:21 < thesnark> If "I have actual experience designing programs and solving problems" then no
11:22 < thesnark> "Data scientists" ;p
11:22 < kanzure> i see a lot of weirdly-hardcoded things and weirdo assumptions
11:23 < streety> any examples?
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11:24 < kanzure> https://github.com/pannous/tensorflow-speech-recognition/blob/master/speech_model.py
11:27 < kanzure> https://github.com/srvk/srvk-eesen-offline-transcriber/blob/master/Makefile
11:27 < kanzure> stuff like that.
11:27 < thesnark> lol
11:27 < thesnark> that second one....
11:29 < streety> the line character limit in the first link there is fantastic ... almost looks like justified alignment
11:30 < streety> would the zotero translators be any use in extracting more than the abstract? They don't process the actual pdf do they?
11:31 < kanzure> they can find the actual pdf but they do not parse pdf files
11:31 < thesnark> streety, pdfminer will
11:31 < streety> ok
11:31 < streety> pdfminer works for you? I had a hell of a time getting it to work on journal articles. Is the arxiv pdf structure generally better do you know?
11:32  * thesnark shrugs
11:32 < thesnark> it's good enough for me
11:32 < thesnark> You've had troubles with the abstracts?
11:32 < thesnark> The bodies are a pain but the abstracts should be easy
11:34 < streety> Yeah, I tried pdfminer then moved to pypdf2 which seemed better and actually gave me workable text, although identifying where different sections started and ended was still difficult. In the end I just looked for DOIs and then search crossref and pubmed to get the structured data for title, authors, abstract, keywords etc
11:34 < streety> It was good enough for what I wanted to do at the time
11:35 < thesnark> nice, whatever works.
11:47 < kanzure> you shoud use image segmentation to figure out paragraph start-end ones
11:47 < kanzure> zones.
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11:49 < kanzure> oh this looks better https://github.com/kaldi-asr/kaldi/tree/master/src
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13:16 < nmz787> kanzure: the only think I see 'weird' skimming through https://github.com/pannous/tensorflow-speech-recognition/blob/master/speech_model.py    is that while they follow PEP8 naming conventions and have docstrings and also have nice character-length formatting... they import from __future__ but then use xrange, which isn't py3k compatible
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13:25 < chris_99> hey nmz787, got the FX3 dev board now :) and some shorter dupont wires, just need to sort out the ADC now
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14:34 < kanzure> hrmph
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17:48 < kanzure> ProfSechs: greetings
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18:23 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 Cool! Let me know how it goes! Over-sampling a CCD is something that is supposed to help increase ENOB (effective number of bits)
18:23 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
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20:36 < kanzure> http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
20:36 < kanzure> http://karpathy.github.io/2016/05/31/rl/
20:36 < kanzure> "hacker's guide to neural networks" http://karpathy.github.io/neuralnets/
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