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03:41 < pasky> ybit: but kernel being in c rather than c++ does not mean that the kernel is not object oriented
03:41 < pasky> object oriented programming is a problem when you write your program that way, rather than design appropriate components of the program that way
03:42 < pasky> there's plenty of objects in the kernel
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07:23 < kanzure> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/spacexs-interplanetary-transport-system-will-go-well-beyond-mars/
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07:38 < thesnark> can anybody run: git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git?
07:38 < thesnark> getting connection refused
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07:43 < kanzure> thesnark: weird. for now use git clone https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki.git as silly workaround.
07:43 < thesnark> Can I still push the same way?
07:44 < kanzure> unsure, haven't looked into the problem
07:44 < thesnark> kk
07:44 < thesnark> I will just fork in the meantime
07:44 < kanzure> it's the same repository
07:44 < thesnark> oh ok
07:44 < kanzure> git remote add github https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki.git
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08:19 < kanzure> hplusroadmap html irc logs are now rendering with working anchor links
08:19 < kanzure> for example, http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2016-08-17.log.html#t13:15-78
08:19 < kanzure> thesnark: relevant to your interests^
08:20 < kanzure> this is particularly useful because now links can be made directly to wherever conversations happened in the logs, rather than an entire log file
08:22 < kanzure> .tell poppingtonic see http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2016-09-19.log.html#t08:19-93
08:22 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to poppingtonic.
08:26 < kanzure> default css for irclog2html looks like vomit :\
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08:42 < kanzure> about genetic engineering and programming of biology http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2016-09-08.log.html#t19:11-111
08:42 < kanzure> yes i like anchorlinks. i am happy.
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10:11 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/777914328355737600
10:11 < yoleaux> Making biology more like programming http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2016-09-08.log.html#t19:11-111 #hplusroadmap #synbio #crispr @anselmlevskaya (@kanzure)
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11:16 < kanzure> https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/pull/15
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11:34 < thesnark> awesome kanzure
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12:00 < CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-Dimatix-Inkjet-printer-Materials-Printer-/182145645504  1pL drops, $200K new, used for only $99K
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12:03 < chris_99> how come it has a controllable z axis out of interest?
12:04 < chris_99> also what makes it so expensive? and what would they generally be used for?
12:05 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: to adjust for different thickness substrates 0-30mm on this one, but it's a set it and forget it setup...
12:05 < CaptHindsight> it can't handle 3d objects
12:05 < chris_99> ah gotcha
12:05 < CaptHindsight> just 2d planar surfaces
12:06 < CaptHindsight> it's made by Fuji so it's $200K new
12:06 < thesnark> kanzure: interested in relationship graphs?
12:06 < thesnark> between people
12:07 < chris_99> i guess the 1 ym repeatability is partially what makes it so expensive right?
12:07 < CaptHindsight> I can't see it too well but granite linear servo positioners aren't cheap
12:08 < chris_99> what would it be used for thoo, i assume you wouldn't be using it for printing photos?
12:09 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: materials dep
12:10 < chris_99> would that include things like pcb design?
12:13 < CaptHindsight> maybe in hybrids
12:13 < CaptHindsight> or multichip modules
12:14 < kanzure> thesnark: dunno
12:15 < thesnark> kanzure: yeah nevermind actually
12:16 < gradstudentbot> None of this data makes sense.
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12:22 < thesnark> kanzure: what did you use to generate that html?
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12:24 < kanzure> thesnark: https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/pull/15
12:33 < ybit> all of the strangeloop 2016 vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4rT0lgJr6U&list=PLcGKfGEEONaDvuLDFFKRfzbsaBuVVXdYa
12:36 < thesnark> I deeply appreciate that transhumanists are interested in darknets, cryptography and privacy
12:40 < kanzure> it's all the same people (ralph merkle)
12:41 < thesnark> I dunno, Merkle trees are cool but overrated IMO
12:41 < thesnark> They're great for blockchain style stuff don't get me wrong
12:42 < andytoshi> https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2016/09/logical_uncertainty_and_logica.html (haven't read this through yet, apologies if it goes off the rails into category theory)
12:43 < thesnark> btw msft let one of their researchers release a nice quantum resistant public key system
12:43 < thesnark> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/lattice-cryptography-library/
12:43 < thesnark> compiles and runs on linux
12:43 < thesnark> tried it myself
12:43 < thesnark> hard to test against quantum systems atm though
12:44 < gradstudentbot> Anyone else think pol II looks like a butt?
12:45 < kanzure> thesnark: re: ralph merkle and his puzzles and cryptography things http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2015-09-06.log.html#t21:39-283
12:48 < kanzure> and of course his cryonics stuff.
12:48 < kanzure> and diffie-hellman things.
12:48 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: that was a typo ym vs um, it certainly doesn't have ym res
12:50 < andytoshi> oh https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.03543 is what my link is a wrapper/summary around
12:50 < chris_99> CaptHindsight, ah heh
12:51 < thesnark> diffie-hellman is the bomb
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12:52  * thesnark turns off his commentary
12:52 < kanzure> forwhy?
12:52 < kanzure> it doesn't seem broken
12:53 < chris_99> thesnark, you know diffie-hellman were actually beaten to the punch btw
12:53 < kanzure> diffie-hellman should really be called diffie-hellman-merkle, since it was merkle who told them about the scheme itself
12:53 < gradstudentbot> Friends don't let friends go to super school.
12:53 < thesnark> I can believe that
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12:59 < chris_99> http://news.mit.edu/2016/computational-imaging-method-reads-closed-books-0909 thought that was cool
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13:22 < thesnark> something I've always loved about the topic of security is that good hacking often undermines the toughest encryption :p
13:22 < thesnark> in other words, find the right exploit and it won't matter :p
13:23 < thesnark> it's also a tough and open problem of how to physically secure a system against firmware of even hardware backdoors
13:23 < thesnark> or*
13:24 < thesnark> until you can do that, the even the best crypto can't save you
13:24 < thesnark> -the
13:25 < ybit> andytoshi: why apologize that it goes off into category theory? category theory is a useful tool
13:25 < ybit> btw, i read that blog and ncatlab regularly
13:25 < ybit> at least, as of 2 months ago :)
13:25 < thesnark> Another interesting extension of security concepts into transhumanism goes in the other direction of course...gathering information and coordinating the operation of many systems ^_^
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17:19 < Guest3888> ybit: because category theory is porn for mathematicians
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