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06:04 < JayDugger> Good morning.
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06:37 < streety> This was interesting: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ca.22680 I had assumed we had our anatomy thoroughly identified
06:46 < kanzure> .title
06:46 < yoleaux> A newly discovered muscle: The tensor of the vastus intermedius - Grob - 2016 - Clinical Anatomy - Wiley Online Library
06:46 < kanzure> streety: nope there's lots of weird stuff in the human body that we haven't figured out yet. nobody does dissections!
06:47 < kanzure> there was recently a new cranial nerve
06:47 < kanzure> or something
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07:18 < TMA> kanzure: ('twas an artery, IIRC) the funny thing is that the reaction was: "of course, we have already presumed that there is that, it would be only logical, the ateries are usually located in places like that. we just couldn't be bothered to actually look for it to confirm or deny the existence. we have real science to do, unlike that poser that found it"
07:26 < kanzure> hooray we're getting rid of time zones https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12887007
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09:21 < kanzure> hi biohackerdude
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09:50 < biohackerdude> hi :3
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10:09 < kanzure> "benefits of intranasal insulin" and some instructions http://www.lostfalco.com/intranasal-insulin/
10:10 < kanzure> strangely spammy site. nevermind.
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10:48 < kanzure> https://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/11/brains-simpler-than-brain-cells.html
10:49 < maaku> andytoshi: mailman
10:50 < maaku> newbie: join alcor and become an english teacher abroad. done.
10:50 < andytoshi> maaku: would i need to host my own instance?
10:50 < kanzure> .title
10:50 < yoleaux> Overcoming Bias : Brains Simpler Than Brain Cells?
10:50 < kanzure> andytoshi: blockstream.io hosts mailing lists
10:51 < andytoshi> lol, i think i knew that and then totally forgot..
10:51 < kanzure> your cert expired guys, wtf
10:51 < andytoshi> but i'd rather not have public association between blockstream and grin when there are so many anonymous people working on it ... it would fuel so much conspiracy
10:52 < newbie> maaku, I'm not a native english speaker
10:52 < kanzure> maybe the conspiracy is instead: why isn't the rest of the bitcoin industry jumping at the chance to host that mailing list?
10:52 < maaku> Solvaring: I use Theanine whenever I drink coffee. Helps mellow out the caffeine (which I'm overly sensitive to)
10:53 < Solvaring> Holyshit?!
10:53 < Solvaring> Are you in a time warp maaku ?!
10:53 < Solvaring> Responding to things I said last night?!
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10:53 < maaku> the main piece of advice for nootropics and supplements is that everyone's biology is remarkably different. you just have to try and see, starting with small doses and working your way up
10:54 < Solvaring> I haven't said a thing in IRC since i logged on this morning.
10:54 < Solvaring> So you must be responding to stuff I asked last night
10:56 < maaku> andytoshi: maybe ask your employer to host it? I hear they host the lightning and sidechain mailing lists
10:57 < maaku> ask for a mimblewimble-dev instance
10:57 < maaku> actually wait, that got moved to linux foundation I think, but they'd probably be amenable. ask rusty or warren
10:57 < andytoshi> ok, peverell was talking about going to savannah.nongnu.org
10:58 < maaku> or that
10:58 < maaku> Solvaring: IRC bouncers are a wonderful thing
10:58 < maaku> it's how then channel generally works.. asynchronous communication when people are offline. when you come back online, check the logs
10:58 < kanzure> irc is a standardized implementation of time warp, not sure why you are surprised
10:59 < andytoshi> maaku: good idea, i'll see what igno thinks
11:00 < maaku> newbie: are you of european descent and speak english, even horribly accented? that seems to be the only requirement in my experience
11:01 < Solvaring> I keep my logs off
11:01 < maaku> (I have african and asian american friends that can't get a job teaching english, despite being native speakers, and some german friends that had no problem)
11:02 < maaku> Solvaring: that makes you significantly less useful to me :(
11:02 < Solvaring> yeah, well
11:02 < newbie> yes,but I can't really travel to asia
11:02 < Solvaring> malicious links, strings, etc. etc.
11:03 < Solvaring> i guess i'm being a bit paranoid
11:03 < newbie> I am wheelchair bonded
11:03 < newbie> bonded? bounded?
11:04 < andytoshi> i think just "bound" is most natural
11:04 < maaku> newbie: ah yeah they haven't really figured out the whole accessibilty thing
11:04 < newbie> no, just getting into an airplane is impossible
11:04 < maaku> except maybe some parts of japan
11:04 < maaku> ah i'm sorry to hear that
11:05 < newbie> don't be
11:08 < Solvaring> yes it's bound
11:09 < Solvaring> 'wheelchair bound'
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11:10 < Solvaring> okay
11:10 < Solvaring> enabled scrollback of 1000 lines
11:10 < Solvaring> you'll get no more from me!
11:12 < JayDugger> maaku, just asking, but how much theanine did you take with your coffee? I have done the same, but dislike mixing the two.
11:20 < maaku> JayDugger: 100mg in capsule form. If I was adding it as powder to the coffee i'd probably try a smaller dose
11:20 < maaku> nothing magical to that number though, it's just the size of the pill and it seemed to work
11:21 < maaku> if/when you need it there are also logs linked to in the topic
11:23 < Solvaring> oh maaku
11:23 < Solvaring> what did you say i should try?
11:23 < Solvaring> when i logged on?
11:23 < Solvaring> you said something important
11:23 < Solvaring> i feel like
11:23 < maaku> Theanine
11:23 < Solvaring> oh yes
11:23 < Solvaring> i just ordered some of that
11:23 < Solvaring> as well as a noopept+choline supplement
11:24 < maaku> i don't take it daily, just add it with coffee
11:24 < Solvaring> i also have
11:24 < maaku> i personally find sugar in coffee to have more of a nootropic effect than anything else
11:24 < Solvaring> PEA, Phenibut, and Adrafinil on the way which im very excited to experiment with
11:24 < maaku> the simple things sometimes work best
11:24 < maaku> (not good for my weight though)
11:24 < Solvaring> PEA in high doses gives euphoria and mental clarity
11:25 < Solvaring> mood-lift FTW!
11:25 < JayDugger> Thank you, maaku. Did you ever try using trehalose as a sweetener?
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11:27 < maaku> Actually to be accurate the sweetener I use is condensed milk. I assume it is the sugar that is active, but it could be many things.
11:27 < maaku> But having now read the wiki article on trehalose, it looks worth trying, especially in coffee because of the acidity
11:30 < maaku> If I'm not at home or not at a south-east asian restaurant where condensed milk drinks are available, I use two sugars, but I find it doesn't have the same prolonged but mellow boost that a "sweet coffee" (think thai tea) has
11:30 < JayDugger> It's been on my list to try for some time, but I dislike sweet coffee. I've nothing else to put it in, aside from water or soup.
11:31 < Solvaring> wooowww guys
11:31 < Solvaring> really?
11:31 < Solvaring> i chuckle, because i am ignorant
11:32 < maaku> Solvaring: natural stuff sometimes works best
11:32 < maaku> and sometimes real drugs are required :)
11:32 < Solvaring> i used to use major opiates and amphetamines and pharms, so hearing about the 'mentally increasing capacity' of different sugars
11:32 < Solvaring> makes me lol
11:32 < Solvaring> xD
11:32 < Solvaring> when i eat sugar...my tongue is happy
11:32 < JayDugger> Got it. Too sweet for me, then. As for the coffee/theanine, I'd alternate coffee with green tea, but disliked the effects.
11:32 < Solvaring> that's it
11:32 < maaku> Solvaring: low blood sugar levels leads to low energy. the biomechanics are quite simple
11:32 < Solvaring> oh yeah
11:32 < Solvaring> that's true
11:32 < Solvaring> :P
11:33 < Solvaring> i got a one touch in my bedroom
11:33 < Solvaring> my wife had gestational diabetes
11:33 < Solvaring> learned a lot about the diabeetus
11:33 < Solvaring> One touch is a blood sugar monitoring device
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11:33 < JayDugger> Oh?
11:34 < Solvaring> so yeah obviously sugar has some basic affect, like keeping the steam engine alive and chugging along.
11:35 < JayDugger> I hope your wife and child are doing well now.
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11:37 < Solvaring> yeah
11:37 < Solvaring> child is driving me crazy
11:37 < JayDugger> As for sugar versus other things, sugar gives a more subtle effect.
11:39 < maaku> Honestly for me a 'sweet coffee' is nearly exactly equal to 30mg amphetamine. Except the amphetamines last half the day whereas the coffee+sugar+theanine only a few hours
11:40 < maaku> But everyone has different bio issues.. I suspect I have chronicly low blood sugar levels, so sweeteners + adderall would probably leave me highly productive
11:41 < maaku> I'm still waiting for an Rx though :(
11:41 < Solvaring> hmm yeah
11:42 < Solvaring> i hear they arent hard to get a prescription for
11:42 < Solvaring> but even if you cant
11:42 < Solvaring> cheap places to buy them illegally exist
11:42 < Solvaring> :P
11:42 < Solvaring> I used to get them all the time
11:42 < maaku> Well it's been hard to get the psychiatrist appointment in the first place. Health care system here is fucking useless.
11:44 < JayDugger> I haven't got your sensitivity to caffeine, maaku, and while my wife has a scrip for Adderall, I've not really had an occasion to need to take her pills.
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11:45 < Solvaring> the guys over at reddit-nootropics seemed to think this place was...not cool?
11:45 < Solvaring> said you guys were a bit...uptight :P
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11:46 < Solvaring> i agreed with them of course as I am a shit disturber
11:46 < Solvaring> what have you to say?
11:46 < Solvaring> or don't
11:46 < JayDugger> Heh. It comes and goes in phases.
11:47 < maaku> Solvaring: I say this is off-topic :P The chatter on this channel seems to be quite minimal, with a focus on problem solving, not topical debate
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11:49 < JayDugger> And the "get back to work" flag is set. :)
11:52 < Solvaring> aw man
11:52 < Solvaring> v.v
11:52 < Solvaring> was hoping for some funnies
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14:19 < kanzure> some pictures of keyboards http://www.tomshardware.stfi.re/picturestory/736-history-of-mechanical-keyboards.html
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15:37 < vicarion> re: mechanical keyboards, i'm still waiting for ones with newton level springs, so my fingers can get a workout while i play games
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16:15 < newbie> my mom is black
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16:17 < newbie> JenElizabeth: my I PM?
16:17 < newbie> may*
16:17 < newbie> damn
16:19 < JenElizabeth> yeah
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16:49 < vicarion> if you were about to lose your access to much of the scientific literature, what stuff would you grab copies of?
16:49 < kanzure> all of it
16:49 < kanzure> "methods in molecular biology" volumes 1 through 900
16:50 < vicarion> that sounds like a lot
16:51 < vicarion> do they monitor for unusually high downloads?
16:54 < kanzure> dunno
16:56 < duper> vicarion: DIMACS DNA Based Computers
16:57 < vicarion> kanzure, volumes 1 to 892 are up on pirate bay
17:02 < kanzure> you work fast
17:11 < vicarion> well, i can't take all the credit
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17:21 < streety> Thanks kanzure and TMA, another misconception dispelled
17:24 < streety> That was a ~12 hour time warp for those keeping track. Seems to be two groups of people using IRC, professionals where long gaps between responses are common and gamers where the expectation is for instant response. I'm not sure if this is true now but there seem to be many people who return to IRC surprised that it is used in a different way to their youth. It seems like quite a problem on tech/dev support channels.
17:29 < vicarion> streety, maybe someday you could write us an article on the sociology of irc
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17:32 < streety> lol, far too many other things to be written up
17:32 < streety> and I'd rather be working on new experiments than writing up what I've already done
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18:41 < kanzure> yes i think people are just generally surprised to learn about community backlogs
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20:19 < nmz787_> duper: DIMACS as in the SAT solver format?
20:21 < nmz787_> fenn: we use Python for register access stuff :P
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21:19 < kanzure> large-scale automatic comparative neuroanatomy for mammals should be enough, really
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21:36 < kanzure> i bet you could get a brain microbe to migrate to a particular region of the brain based on phased array energy stuff and magnetism and magnetic sensors. and then only at a certain power output location would the microbe stop moving around.
21:45 < kanzure> also, we could have a microbe that analyzes synaptic junctions
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21:56 < vicarion> or maybe a virus
21:56 < vicarion> lots of viruses love to hide in the central nervous system
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