--- Log opened Fri Dec 02 00:00:27 2016 00:13 -!- mabel [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:c0b4:69c3:c02a:9946] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:53 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- M4l3z [~M4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:16 -!- M4l3z [~M4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36 -!- vicarion [~net@dyn-49-127-245-171.phone.monash.edu.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:59 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:01 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:04 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:20 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-paludefbyeboflhj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:22 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 < JayDugger> Good morning. 03:06 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-008-179-124.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:40 -!- Gurkenglas__ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-094-167.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:42 -!- urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:42 -!- urchin is now known as Urchin 03:44 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-008-179-124.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:b119:1a77:dd39:6679] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:b119:1a77:dd39:6679] has quit [Changing host] 04:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 04:32 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:36 < streety> most of the press around it hasn't been very positive. From the abstract, "Investigating muscle, liver and brain hippocampus, in the presence or absence of muscle injury, we find that, in many cases, the inhibitory effects of old blood are more pronounced than the benefits of young, and that peripheral tissue injury compounds the negative effects." 04:37 < streety> there were benefits though and the experiment was not as beautiful as much of the press seems to suggest. 04:38 < streety> for example, if yashgaroth were looking for an experiment in which microfluidics did not come with added magic I would say this was one example 04:43 -!- vicarion [~net@dyn-49-127-245-171.phone.monash.edu.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45 -!- Gurkenglas__ is now known as Gurkenglas 04:46 -!- Jen3 [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust35.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:46 -!- JenElizabeth [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust35.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 < kanzure> JayDugger: tell me how things go? 05:29 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxzlciwcnbdhdtcd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:13 -!- refractal [~textual@66.111.12.42.static.nyinternet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:21 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 < JayDugger> Things go in circles. With sufficiently large radius, the circle looks straight and one can then mistake it for progress. 06:43 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58 -!- refractal [~textual@66.111.12.42.static.nyinternet.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 06:58 < JayDugger> See also "the view from Mount Nebo," my usual lament about the ratio between the slow rate of progress and human lifespan. 07:00 -!- refractal [~textual@66.111.12.42.static.nyinternet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- refractal [~textual@66.111.12.42.static.nyinternet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01 < JayDugger> See also "The New Integrated Space Plan," at https://integratedspaceanalytics.com/cms/plan and compare with hplusroadmap. The former ends with "Human Interstellar Expansion" at https://integratedspaceanalytics.com/cms/portal/human-interstellar-expansion 07:01 < JayDugger> Refers also to a data browser called Lod Live, new to me. 07:03 < JayDugger> I like the end points of the earlier version, https://integratedspaceanalytics.com/cms/sites/default/files/integratedspaceplan.pdf, "Emergence of Homo Sapiens as an Intragalatic Species" and "Interstellar Traversing World Ships." 07:04 < JayDugger> Again, I reason from fictional examples: Danridge Cole's "Beyond Tomorrow," (he died early of heart disease) and its fictionalization, Zebrowski's "Macrolife." 07:05 < JayDugger> Bad human! Cognitively biased! 07:05 < JayDugger> No coffee! 07:06 < JayDugger> Arxiv continues to publish the world's best SF. See https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.08368v1.pdf, which argues stellar engineering would account for Tabby's Star. 07:07 < kanzure> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.08368 07:07 < yoleaux> [1611.08368] A physically inspired model of Dip d792 and d1519 of the Kepler light curve seen at KIC8462852 07:08 < JayDugger> NBF reflects CNN and Bloomberg and Reuters with space arms race fear-mongering. (NEWS FLASH: we already had one. It ended in 1989. Obviously one side won.) 07:08 < JayDugger> Don't know why that's flavor of the week, though. 07:09 < JayDugger> OPEC pulls its shit together, saves face, and does a small favor for North American tight oil and gas. (Probably gonna fall apart because everyone has an incentive to pump. I've been wrong lots about that, though.) 07:11 < JayDugger> And USAF whines for more money to waste on hypersonics research (see NBF, again). Meanwhile, LM and its cronies swear they have a project for that (sure---just like their fusion program; show me hardware) and more to the point-- 07:11 < JayDugger> Reaction Engines continues to slowly get shit done with their super-performance heat exchanger. 07:12 < JayDugger> And in case the readers of this log didn't get the Biblical reference about Mount Nebo, see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2034:1-34:6&version=NKJV 07:13 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxeiejqcvcwmzlxy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 < JayDugger> For the life of me I don't understand why Reaction Engines doesn't sell that heat exchanger to everybody and their brother. Most likely that reflects my ignorance of the product's TCO, availability and general usefulness outside aviation power plants. 07:16 < JayDugger> Oh, and again, while I muster energy for the next phase of today's tasks, BTC/USD approaches 1/780. ET[A-Z]/USD rather less. Thank you again for answering my questions about it last year, kanzure. 07:16 < JayDugger> There. That should learn you a lesson about asking me how it goes! :) 07:16 < kanzure> yeah i hate people who ask that question, totally fair 07:17 < JayDugger> No hate involved. It's flattering, really, but see PM. 07:25 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:26 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-094-167.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxzlciwcnbdhdtcd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:54 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 < chris_99> https://www.nostarch.com/hardwarehacker sounds a fun read 08:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-efcqgtidjreuybdw] has joined 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https://github.com/commaai/openpilot but it seems the bulk is just binary blobs 11:17 -!- jtimon [~quassel@186.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-efcqgtidjreuybdw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:27 -!- JenElizabeth [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust35.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:34 -!- wrldpcmbl [sid145438@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icmxvxjnfwfasdyr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36 < nmz787_w> chris_99: I wondered about reverse engineering it, and what it would yield 11:37 < chris_99> interesting, on HN they mention the ANN is in there, along with more vision-y stuff 11:41 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-234-157-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-92-177-249.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 < poppingtonic> http://inference-review.com/article/the-excitable-mitochondria#endnote-1 12:08 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: poppingtonic] 12:09 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:13 -!- wrldpcmbl [sid145438@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjvkmlzkobazbbwu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@cpc92304-cmbg19-2-0-cust1016.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@173-228-1-246.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.49.155.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:42 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: poppingtonic] 14:01 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-094-167.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:41 -!- delinquentme 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Coelenterazine Biosynthesis" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128742 15:25 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25 < kanzure> "Transient and Stable Expression of the Firefly Luciferase Gene in Plant Cells and Transgenic Plants" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/234/4778/856 15:25 < kanzure> "Application of Bioluminescence Imaging for In Vivo Monitoring of Fungal Infections" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3205719/ 15:26 < kanzure> "Repeated and Widespread Evolution of Bioluminescence in Marine Fishes" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0155154 15:36 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has 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The vehicle must compensate for these losses. This means that a drag unavoidably accompanies the lift. At high velocities, the electrodynamic drag decreases with increasing velocity, which is a very important feature of eddy-current transportation systems." 18:27 < docl> https://www.rose-hulman.edu/~moloney/Ph425/ProjectPDFs/ejp_jul_08_maglev_0143-0807_29_4_001.pdf 18:28 < docl> Maybe at orbital velocity, the drag is close to zero. 18:32 < kanzure> wow this is a terrible interview. why did he waste his time on this. 18:32 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:34 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:42 < kanzure> it's painful. i need to stop. 18:49 -!- UnknownRogueX [~UnknownRo@2601:194:0:b872:5118:28df:c9ab:9f49] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:49 -!- UnknownRogue [~UnknownRo@2601:194:0:b872:5118:28df:c9ab:9f49] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50 -!- UnknownRogue [~UnknownRo@2601:194:0:b872:5118:28df:c9ab:9f49] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- UnknownRogue [~UnknownRo@2601:194:0:b872:5118:28df:c9ab:9f49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@bai859bd66e.bai.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 18:52 < nmz787> kanzure: I have had that tab open for a while now, and haven't read/watched/listened to it (can't remember which format it is in) 18:56 < kanzure> the interview? 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