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02:41 < adlai> 00:45:56        chris_99 | TIL theres a tonne of different phases of ice << yeah one is even "number nine, number nine"... although no dice about a positive-celsius freezing point
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06:23 < kanzure> hrm.
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07:24 < darsie> .
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07:33 < kanzure> (from early 2016) https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600774/top-us-intelligence-official-calls-gene-editing-a-wmd-threat/
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08:26 < JayDugger> Good morning.
08:37 < streety> morning JayDugger
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11:07 < kanzure> "Self-deployed extremely large low mass space structures" http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/fellows/mar07/1314Crowe.pdf (2007)
11:18 < kanzure> they propose using 10,000 kilometer diameter bubbles and metal vapor deposition to construct large-scale space structures
11:28 < kanzure> "Microgravity fabrication and metalization of large, lightweight polymeric bubbles and films for space system applications" https://www.google.com/patents/US9108370
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11:36 < kanzure> .wik benzophenone
11:36 < yoleaux> "Benzophenone is the organic compound with the formula (C6H5)2CO, generally abbreviated Ph2CO. Benzophenone is a widely used building block in organic chemistry, being the parent diarylketone." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzophenone
11:40 < kanzure> "Self-deployed space or planetary habitats and extremely large structures" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.545.5953&rep=rep1&type=pdf
11:42 < docl> interesting stuff
11:43 < kanzure> i wonder what internal pressures these bubbles can tolerate
11:43 < docl> one possible use for big lightweight structures is crashportation. you could deploy a big foam structure in front of your craft and have it crumple/vaporize upon impact with an asteroid or planet
11:44 < kanzure> yes giant domes could be dropped on a planet for future habitation
11:45 < docl> if it's thousands of kilometers long, that lets you spread the forces over several seconds
11:46 < kanzure> also i think you can make holes in the dome before you drop it, if you want to change the aerodynamics
11:50 < docl> yeah, it could act as its own parachute. for mars, titan, etc. that makes sense. mercury doesn't have an atmosphere though.
11:57 < kanzure> i think i might like this more than the "orbital rainbow" aerosol cloud hypertelescope stuff
11:57 < kanzure> where you used lasers to push around thousands of aerosol droplets into 100 km aperature telescopes
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12:01 < docl> NIAC sure does come up with some cool stuff. perhaps they should defund the rest of NASA and pour it all into NIAC.
12:01 < kanzure> athough, i think you need more matter and more gas with this method?
12:05 < docl> probably. I don't see any exact figures other than that solar sails can be less than a gram per square meter
12:06 < docl> you can't go too much lower without the light pressure blowing it away, so that might not be a fundamental limit in how light the structures can be
12:07 < docl> for a reflector, 0.77 g/m^2 is the point at which gravity and light pressure are equal (both are a square law so it holds at any distance from the sun)
12:07 < kanzure> they claim this can be used for space habitats but let's see the pressure numbers (internal)
12:08 < kanzure> 10^-4 atmosphere pressure inflation of bubble "and then made 'more rigid'"
12:10 < docl> I wonder how they make it more rigid -- spray with foam?
12:12 < kanzure> uv curing
12:19 < kanzure> "100-person Mars transfer vehicle using torpor-inducing habitats" http://www.sei.aero/eng/papers/uploads/archive/IAC-15-A5.2.12%20100%20Person%20Torpor%20Presentation%2010162015.pdf
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12:24 < kanzure> "
12:24 < kanzure> SpiderFab: Architecture for On-Orbit Construction of Kilometer-Scale Apertures
12:24 < kanzure> SpiderFab: Architecture for On-Orbit Construction of Kilometer-Scale Apertures
12:24 < kanzure> erm..
12:24 < kanzure> https://www.nasa.gov/spacetech/niac/2013phaseII_hoyt.html
12:24 < kanzure> http://www.tethers.com/SpiderFab.html
12:25 < kanzure> http://new.livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2015/videos/75183704
12:25 < kanzure> http://www.tethers.com/papers/SPACE2013_SpiderFab.pdf
12:27 < kanzure> index https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/NIAC_funded_studies.html
12:29 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/1SYNAPTIC/status/823262521784209408
12:29 < yoleaux> @kanzure depending on structural strength, seems like tidal forces would be an issue at large scales (@1SYNAPTIC, in reply to tw:823245953536770050)
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16:23 < nmz787> .tell chris_99: learned that my 405nm handheld laser pen has a peak at ~1200nm (i.e. 3x wavelength), which is higher than the ~400nm peak... which could be real or maybe an artifact of higher sensitivity (photons to electrons) of silicon detectors... not really sure how to calibrate for that one without some fancy pulse lasers or something
16:23 < yoleaux> nmz787: What kind of a name is "chris_99:"?!
16:23 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 : learned that my 405nm handheld laser pen has a peak at ~1200nm (i.e. 3x wavelength), which is higher than the ~400nm peak... which could be real or maybe an artifact of higher sensitivity (photons to electrons) of silicon detectors... not really sure how to calibrate for that one without some fancy pulse lasers or something
16:23 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
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16:24 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 : also I can see the bleed-down of long-fade green phosphor that is painted on a little toy I have... from watching it, it definitely seemed pretty sensitive
16:24 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
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18:02 < kanzure> blort
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18:33 < nmz787> blort
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19:52 < fenn> 'some "green laser pointer" products have become available on the market which omit the expensive infrared filter, often without warning'
19:55 < fenn> apparently KDP crystals can be used for both second harmonic generation and third harmonic generation
19:55 < kanzure> http://longevity-science.org/CV-gavrilov.htm and http://longevity-science.org/CV-gavrilova.htm
20:01 < kanzure> where was that longevity book.. hrm.
20:01 < kanzure> ah here we go,
20:01 < kanzure> "a history of life-extensionism in the twentieth century" http://www.longevityhistory.com/book/indexb.html
20:03 < kanzure> too bad this is only a historical overview, would probably be better spent examining theories and evidence nstead
20:03 < kanzure> *instead
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21:53 < ybit> https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2016/11/0day-exploit-compromising-linux-desktop.html
21:56 < ybit> https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/39772/
21:57 < ybit> i didn't know there were so many reported exploits, and now i feel silly
21:57 < ybit> https://www.exploit-db.com/platform/?p=Lin_x86-64
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