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01:32 < fenn> i'm not sure this is actually new but at least now there are actual photographs: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-metallic-hydrogen-theory-reality.html
01:38 < nmz787> very cool
01:40 < nmz787> reactive ion etch to smooth diamond, then grow/coat with alumina, then used in a diamond anvil cell for compression of (frozen?) hydrogen
01:40 < nmz787> .wik diamond anvil cell
01:40 < yoleaux> "A diamond anvil cell (DAC) is a high-pressure device used in scientific experiments. It allows compressing a small (sub-millimeter-sized) piece of material to extreme pressures, typically up to around 100-200 gigapascals, although it is possible to achieve pressures up to 770 gigapascals (7,700,000 bars / 7.7 million atmospheres)." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_anvil_cell
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03:27 < adlai> .title http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2816%2931749-4
03:27 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
03:27 < adlai> .........
03:27 < adlai> needs moar headless magic
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03:53 < Cory> Somebody just stole $40 from me and I an so upset. D:<
03:54 < Cory> Goodness they're pieces of shit fuuuuuuuuuck. D:<
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03:56 < Cory> And they even pretended to be my friend (I fell for the typical confidence scam for the first time). Fuuuuuuck.
04:13 < JayDugger> What's the best way to search ALL the channel logs for a term, short of downloading them all first and using zgrep?
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05:45 < kanzure> JayDugger: your only option is essentially grep
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05:52 < JayDugger> Thank you, kanzure.
05:53 < JayDugger> Not what I wanted to hear, really, but that doesn't matter.
05:53 < JayDugger> Do you remember ever discussing neurofeedback on the list?
05:54 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/hplusroadmap-logs-2016-12-03.tar.gz
05:55 < JayDugger> And you just grepped that out? Thank you.
05:55 < kanzure> it was a backup made december 2016 of the logs
05:55 < kanzure> here are some others http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/
05:56 < kanzure> this is easier way to download the logs, otherwise you need to wget each day log
05:57 < JayDugger> Duh. Sorry, that was stupid of me. It didn't occur to me those tarballs would be whole sets of the logs. Thanks.
05:57 < JayDugger> I'd mindlessly assumed they held only a small period.
05:59 < kanzure> there are also copies of these archives on the internet archive https://archive.org/details/hplusroadmap-logs-2016-09-18
06:00 < JayDugger> Oh! that's good to know.
06:01 < kanzure> adlai: "Crystal Structure of an LSD-Bound Human Serotonin Receptor" http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2816%2931749-4
06:03 < kanzure> nmz787: nah i've just never talked with josiah, that's all.
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06:20 < streety> A site specific google search is also usually a decent approach. I don't know how complete it is but will usually turn up something
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08:26 < JayDugger> Duh. Again, thank you, streety. Grepping gave much better results, though.
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11:51 < kanzure> hrm
11:59 < nmz787> """Whereas most endogenous agonists, such as serotonin, activate both G-protein and b-arrestin pathways, some compounds can stabilize distinct receptor conformations, thereby preferentially activating select signal transduction pathways. This phenomenon has been termed ''functional selectivity'' or ''biased agonism'' (Urban et al., 2007; Violin and Lefkowitz, 2007) and represents a pr
11:59 < nmz787> omising avenue of drug development, as ...
11:59 < nmz787> ... specific signaling pathways have been linked to both the beneficial (Allen et al., 2011) and deleterious effects (Manglik et al., 2016) of drugs"""
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12:07 < kanzure> "Clearance of p16Ink4a-positive senescent cells delays ageing-associated disorders" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3468323/ (2011)
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12:16 < kanzure> .wik piperlongumine
12:16 < yoleaux> "Piperlongumine (PL) is a natural product constituent of the fruit of the Long pepper (Piper longum), a pepper plant found in southern India and southeast Asia." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperlongumine
12:16 < kanzure> "Discovery of piperlongumine as a potential novel lead for the development of senolytic agents" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5191878/
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12:51 < nmz787> .wik senolytic
12:51 < yoleaux> "A senolytic (from the words "senescence" and "lytic" - destroying) is among the class of senotherapeutics, and refers to small molecules that can selectively induce death of senescent cells." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senolytic
12:51 < nmz787> hmm, good think I like indian food
12:56 < nmz787> hrmm, 'polled' in cattle terms means hornless... and here I thought it was some polling action of the genetic system that caused the name :/
13:06 < chris_99> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scanning-Electron-Microscope-ISI-SX-30E-/122329606328 looks fancy
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13:12 < kanzure> want it?
13:12 < chris_99> dont have the cash alas
13:12 < kanzure> make me a convincing case and it's yours
13:18 < chris_99> that's very kind. i'd have to see if i could find somewhere to store it too, which may be possible to store in a friends garage. i'll do some investigation on what kind of resolution you can get out of that model, i was curious about using them for imaging silicon
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14:11 < nmz787> chris_99: it says 60 angstroms
14:11 < nmz787> not sure if that is recent or when new
14:12 < nmz787> it also says it was in working order, but I note a hefty amount of rust on the rear section of vacuum steel tube coming off the back of the column
14:13 < chris_99> ah didn't notice that
14:13 < chris_99> i found a page about them
14:13 < chris_99> http://www.drviragopete.com/scanning-electron-microscope.php
14:13 < nmz787> which I would just hope hasn't infiltrated into the seams/joints, and I hope wouldn't have infiltrated into any of the interior (makes for great water sponges)
14:13 < nmz787> which mean worse vacuum or longer pump down
14:14 < nmz787> if it has a diffusion pump, you will probably have to throw $100 towards new pump oil like me... and maybe some money at a radiator and pump setup if it is water-cooled
14:15 < nmz787> I got some computer overclocking liquid cooling stuff... my diffusion pump says 600W, so pretty much a small space heater so I don't foresee any major problems, I hope
14:15 < chris_99> what's happening with your sem atm?
14:15 < kanzure> ehh IC reverse engineering is kinda nice, although i'm not 100% convinced
14:15 < nmz787> radiator is 120mm x 360 mm (3 120mm computer case fans)
14:16 < nmz787> I got the parts for the radiator, need to build a wooden frame... need to take off diffusion pump and clean and reinstall with new oil
14:16 < nmz787> I have just been reading stuff so far today tho
14:16 < chris_99> cool
14:19 < nmz787> kanzure: well SEMs are used for a lot more than revenegineering ICs
14:20 < nmz787> I mean, they're used for testing them too
14:20 < nmz787> and even adding charge
14:20 < chris_99> i saw a nifty paper recently
14:21 < chris_99> about eeprom and sems
14:21 < chris_99> sec
14:21 < chris_99> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/cardis2016_sem.pdf
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14:26 < nmz787> chris_99: after not making much apparent progress with wireshark, I tried connecting the rs232 sniffer board I made last year, but it seems I made some errors in the board or have something wrong with my arduino code... or both. So I ended up hooking my o-scope up and using the rs232 decode function... made some progress with that, before happening to reset the spectrometer while the serial terminal
14:26 < nmz787> was still reading data... and I got some ...
14:26 < nmz787> ... debug printout with a model number of the device
14:27 < nmz787> (turns out that model number was on the original webpage I bought the spectrometer from)
14:27 < nmz787> but then with that, I found a PDF command set
14:27 < nmz787> which started to confirm things I saw in wireshark and in my o-scope
14:27 < chris_99> oh neat
14:27 < nmz787> so I was able to make a bit more progress, but not 100% clunk-free
14:28 < chris_99> if you have time sometime, i'd still be interested if you could check for a peak around 900nm correlating to ethanol btw
14:28 < nmz787> like changing the baud rate seemed to give me issues, works fine for 'their program', but staying at 9600 works for me but takes like 11 seconds to read a while spectrum
14:28 < chris_99> ah interesting
14:28 < nmz787> with what light source?
14:29 < chris_99> yeah that'd be the issue, i'm not sure if tungsten alone gets up to 900nm
14:29 < chris_99> hmm
14:30 < nmz787> kanzure bought be a deuterium-lamp based device for cheap a few years ago... so I probably should be able to get that piped over somehow
14:30 < nmz787> bought me*
14:30 < chris_99> if you need more weird lampy things i found a uk seller selling some interesting ones heh, like rubidium etc.
14:31 < nmz787> I was actually just looking up dip probes
14:32 < nmz787> I thought I saw one recently for $150... though I've also previously thought to use cheap TOSLINK audio fibers (PMMA or PVC I think)
14:32 < nmz787> found a 2 meter fused silica dip probe, used for $400 :O
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14:32 < chris_99> i recally you looking at dip probes before, whats that for?
14:33 < nmz787> basically its a Y
14:33 < nmz787> one leg goes to the spectrometer, one to the light source, they meet at the tip of the Y... and that is where your sample is
14:33 < nmz787> for reflective sensing
14:34 < chris_99> in liquids?
14:34 < nmz787> otherwise you need a transmissive probe, with some free space between the light and the sensor
14:34 < nmz787> liquids or solids I guess, like gems/minerals/paintings/coatings
14:34 < chris_99> mm
14:34 < chris_99> i'm awaiting a quote for some magnetic sensing chips
14:34 < nmz787> I saw them using it in some old historical ruins recently, with Raman spectroscopy
14:35 < nmz787> they send in the laser as the light source, reflects off, they pass through a notch filter to get rid of the laser line, and only the perterbations from the sample remain
14:35 < nmz787> cool
14:35 < nmz787> I saw some magnetic 3d printer scanner recently
14:36 < chris_99> oh i've seen something like that
14:36 < nmz787> I mean, it was a printer turned into a scanner
14:36 < chris_99> this is for a chip that uses Bi:YIG thin film, that you can see the magnetic fields with using polarisers
14:37 < nmz787> oh, huh, actually this dip probe for $400 is a transmissive probe... so it must have the free-path length at the tip
14:38 < nmz787> hmm, neat
14:38 < nmz787> is it something like a lens filter?
14:38 < chris_99> sec
14:38 < nmz787> i.e. you could put it over your phone camera?
14:38 < nmz787> etc
14:38 < chris_99> http://www.gmw.com/magnetic_measurements/Matesy/pdf/Matesy-MAN-MagView-OCT2013.pdf look at the diagram on thar
14:39 < chris_99> you need polarised light
14:39 < chris_99> and a polariser to pick up the reflection
14:39 < chris_99> uses the faraday effect apparently
14:40 < nmz787> haha, I see a typo
14:41 < nmz787> "You may not us any kind of alcohol for cleaning the whole MagView."
14:41 < nmz787> us
14:41 < chris_99> heh, and i was planning on throwing whisky all over it
14:42 < chris_99> it seems not many people make the sensors if my googling is correct
14:44 < nmz787> hmm, so it seems the light isn't sensitive to the magnetic field until it is in the special crystal media... so the crystal is some kind of magetic-to-optical domain transformer
14:44 < chris_99> apparently yeah
14:44 < nmz787> it has linkage to both, in a way that can couple them
14:44 < nmz787> like an antenna/filter
14:44 < nmz787> hrmm, very cool
14:45 < chris_99> interestingly also apparently garnet gemstones are attracted to neodyium magnets
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16:01 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/news/big-science-has-a-buzzword-problem-1.21354
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18:14 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v541/n7638/full/541559a.html
18:14 < yoleaux> Neuroscience: Big brain, big data : Nature : Nature Research
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