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02:21 < nmz787_> archels: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kanzure/culture_shock/master/photos_protos_tests_simuls_sketches/g30pulser-kvboard_v0.1-layout.png
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02:50 < chris_99> Anyone heard of something like this before - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_compass i couldn't really find much info about that
02:52 < C0MPAQ_> sounds about as useful as a quantum frying pan
02:54 < chris_99> why?
02:55 < chris_99> sounds pretty useful to me
02:56 < C0MPAQ_> why use technology on a scale that escapes predictability?
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02:57 < C0MPAQ_> I am not saying that the claimed use benefits don't exist, just that it seems ridiculous to miniaturaze and cool it close to a couple of Kelvin
02:58 < chris_99> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10833087/MoD-creates-coldest-object-in-the-universe-to-trump-GPS.html
02:58  * superkuh fixed the wiki write-up which previously called ions "sub-atomic particles".
02:58 < chris_99> "Currently submarines use GPS while surfaced but rely on crude accelerometers when underwater to track position with dead reckoning. But spending just one day underwater can lead to inaccuracy of up to a kilometre. With quantum TNS this error could be kept to as little as one metre. "
02:59 < C0MPAQ_> accelometers and gavimeters are nothing new, I don't see how they get better with smaller sizes
02:59 < chris_99> because it's using a completely different principle?
03:01 < C0MPAQ_> chris_99: is there any proof?
03:01 < C0MPAQ_> its a news flash after all
03:01 < chris_99> this is what i was wondering, if theres any open version, i guess since it's developed by the MoD they're not releasing much info
03:01 < C0MPAQ_> ever heard of those groundbreaking solar technologies again?
03:02 < C0MPAQ_> probably some company cashed in on govermentment funds and subsequently gets kicked out
03:03 < chris_99> heh
03:03 < C0MPAQ_> what do you expect
03:03 < C0MPAQ_> its always the same story
03:04 < chris_99> hm i'd like to think it could work, but yeah, there seems to be no information after 2014
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03:06 < chris_99> ah wait
03:06 < chris_99> https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2016/08/nists-compact-gyroscope-may-turn-heads
03:07 < chris_99> that sounds rather similar
03:07 < chris_99> or at least it's also using frozen rubidium atoms
03:07 < C0MPAQ_> I suppose the colder the better, but not the tinier
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03:09 < C0MPAQ_> "The NIST gyro's glass atom chamber is just 3.5 cubic centimeters in size. The entire experimental setup, including low-power lasers and optics, is currently tabletop sized, but NIST researchers aim to shrink the whole apparatus down to a portable cube about the size of a mini refrigerator."
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03:34 < rk[ghost]> i have been question in my mind for a while now if there is a good way to do LPS (local position service) based on movement from original position..
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03:36 < chris_99> thought this was interesting - https://www.fastcompany.com/3047828/who-needs-gps-the-forgotten-story-of-etaks-amazing-1985-car-navigation-system
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03:37 < chris_99> that uses dead reckoning apparently
03:37 < chris_99> *used
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04:49 < nsh> why are no VR headset manufacturers even considering the saccade dynamics of human visual perception
04:49 < nsh> maybe they are, i haven't checked
04:49 < nsh> i just assume nobody thinks of obvious things to think about these days
04:49 < nsh> .title https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=507092
04:49 < yoleaux> 403 - Forbidden Access to The Digital Library
04:50 < nsh> .title http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=507092
04:50 < yoleaux> 403 - Forbidden Access to The Digital Library
04:50 < nsh> h8u
04:50 < nsh> 'Saccade contingent updating in virtual reality'
04:50 < nsh> some thoughts: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hole-fixing-judder/
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06:14 < kanzure> now there are vr rabbit holes?
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06:30 < chris_99> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teltron_tube#/media/File:Cyclotron_motion_wider_view.jpg looks pretty nifty
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07:14 < nsh> --
07:14 < nsh> Handle is a research robot that stands 6.5 ft tall, travels at 9 mph and jumps 4 feet vertically. It uses electric power to operate both electric and hydraulic actuators, with a range of about 15 miles on one battery charge. Handle uses many of the same dynamics, balance and mobile manipulation principles found in the quadruped and biped robots we build, but with only about 10 actuated joints, it is significantly less co
07:14 < nsh> mplex. Wheels are efficient on flat surfaces while legs can go almost anywhere: by combining wheels and legs Handle can have the best of both worlds.
07:14 < nsh> -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
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07:27 < kanzure> http://www.radiolab.org/story/update-crispr/
07:34 < nsh> do cheap gaze-tracking peripherals exist?
07:35 < nsh> .title https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/eye-tracking-vr-headsets-future-mwc-virtual-reality-oculus-samsung-gear/
07:35 < yoleaux> Eye tracking in VR headsets is the future, and it's starting now - CNET
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10:50 < fenn> "blindsight" lied to me! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccadic_masking#Intrasaccadic_perception:_relationship_with_saccadic_movements_and_motion_blur
11:08 < fenn> "there are DLP systems that can do more than 1000 Hz with 1-bit monochrome"
11:09 < nmz787_w> yup
11:09 < nmz787_w> I played with one once
11:10 < chris_99> with DLP out of interest, is it possible to control the angle of the little mirrors, like so that you could actually set it to different angles like 25 deg etc. or does it either fully open the mirror or lie it flat
11:10 < nmz787_w> for a structured light 3D scanner that never got funded for dev
11:10 < nmz787_w> chris_99: lookup TALP
11:10 < fenn> chris_99 no, it's either fully on or fully off
11:10 < nmz787_w> chris_99: yes, on some
11:10 < fenn> that's what the "D" means, digital because it's not an analog mirror
11:11 < chris_99> pity
11:11 < chris_99> TALP nmz787_w?
11:11 < chris_99> that's just getting me http://www.talp.upc.edu/
11:11 < nmz787_w> TI
11:12 < fenn> i'm not finding anything relevant about TALP either
11:13 < chris_99> you mean Ti ? http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dlp/getting-started.page#how-mirrors-work says something about angle
11:13 < chris_99> but probably not what you mean
11:17 < chris_99> http://www.colorado.edu/MCEN/MEMSII/Papers/MingWupaper.pdf
11:17 < chris_99> "LOW VOLTAGE MEMS ANALOG MICROMIRROR ARRAYS"
11:18 < chris_99> not DLP, but interesting
11:19 < fenn> i remember talking about a gestural interface for PC or laptop that integrated a miniature projector and high speed IR camera
11:20 < fenn> i think intel had some part in the deal
11:20 < nmz787_w> TI def has an analog DMD/MEMS-mirror
11:21 < nmz787_w> we had one at the TI design house I worked at
11:21 < chris_99> nmz787_w, "The DMD project began as the Deformable Mirror Device in 1977 using micromechanical analog light modulators. The first analog DMD product was the TI DMD2000 airline ticket printer that used a DMD instead of a laser scanner."
11:21 < chris_99> do they still make them?
11:21 < nmz787_w> we had a laser pointer with a joystick
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11:22 < fenn> "realsense" was the marketing name
11:22 < chris_99> oh is that the webcam thing or..? i think intel made a 3d camera thing
11:23 < fenn> there were two versions, one that used structured light with a discrete basis set (?) and another version that was a totally different technology which eventually won out
11:24 < chris_99> https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/a-comparison-of-intel-realsensetm-front-facing-camera-sr300-and-f200 mentions structured light i think
11:25 < fenn> see http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-03-09.log
11:26 < chris_99> ah cheers
11:26 < chris_99> have you seen google gesture recognition radar chip thing btw?
11:28 < fenn> i don't remember, i saw some prototypes
11:28 < chris_99> https://atap.google.com/soli/
11:30 < fenn> another awesome thing abandoned by google
11:30 < chris_99> huh, i thought they're still working on it
11:30 < fenn> i thought ATAP was dissolved
11:31 < chris_99> i thought it was just their phone thing
11:31 < chris_99> they disbanded recently
11:40 < nmz787_w> http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slbb089/slbb089.pdf
11:40 < chris_99> oooh
11:40 < chris_99> that could be fun to play with
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11:41 < chris_99> awh it's obsolete
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11:42 < nmz787_w1> yeah, sorry :(
11:43 < nmz787_w1> 2011 comment says they don't make any analog stuff anymore http://e2e.ti.com/support/dlp__mems_micro-electro-mechanical_systems/advanced_light_control/f/94/p/122247/436540?pi319138=2
11:43 < chris_99> awh :(
11:43 < nmz787_w1> "TI is not in development of any new catalog analog mirror products.  I'm not aware of any direct alternate sources of product similar to the TALP1000B. "
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11:45 < chris_99> http://www.maradin.co.il/products/mar1100-mems-2d-laser-scanning-mirror/
11:45 < nmz787_w1> this was the pico projector I had access to http://dkc1.digikey.com/it/it/mkt/pico.html
11:46 < chris_99> cool
11:47 < nmz787_w1> looks like that one you just posted might only work in the resonant freq ?
11:47 < fenn> was TALP1000B the same chip they used in the virtual retinal display? (microoptical corp?)
11:47 < nmz787_w1> hard to tell
11:47 < nmz787_w1> seems they are advertising a 3-laser projector with it
11:48 < fenn> was it a single mirror or an array of mirrors?
11:48 < nmz787_w1> "A dual axis single mirror ? Resolution up to 1280 (H) x 600 (V) pixels"
11:48 < fenn> ok probably the same thing then
11:48 < chris_99> oh not sure nmz787_w1
11:48 < nmz787_w1> fenn: not sure what the device you mentioned is
11:49 < nmz787_w1> chris_99: when I click the 'evaluation kit' I get a 404 error
11:50 < chris_99> yeah, sec
11:50 < fenn> it was a head mounted monochrome virtual retinal display that was only ever used at Honda dealerships by mechanics to read repair manuals while working on cars
11:50 < chris_99> http://www.maradin.co.il/evaluation-kits/2d-mems-evaluation-kit-dm3100/
11:51 < chris_99> http://www.northstarmicro.com/undefined-category/miscellaneous4/talp1000b they claim to have the Ti chip in
11:51 < fenn> microvision, not microoptical
11:52 < nmz787_w1> .title https://cibolo.us/pipermail/open_electroporator/2017-February/000416.html
11:52 < nmz787_w1> .title
11:52 < yoleaux> [Open_electroporator] got my package today
11:52 < yoleaux> [Open_electroporator] got my package today
11:53 < nmz787_w1> chris_99: going to "enquire"?
11:53 < chris_99> http://www.radwell.de/en-GB/Buy/TEXAS%20INSTRUMENTS%20SEMI/TALP1000B?redirect=true
11:53 < chris_99> they also have it
11:53 < chris_99> but in quantities of 10 heh
11:54 < nmz787_w1> I sent an enquiry
11:54 < chris_99> i might contact the radwell place
11:54 < chris_99> see if they'll sell only 2
11:55 < chris_99> have you used one before did you mean
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11:56 < nmz787_w1> just played with a demo other guys at the company I was working at put together
11:56 < chris_99> cool
11:56 < nmz787_w1> it had a joystick to drive a laser dot around the wall
11:57 < chris_99> ah neat heh
11:57 < fenn> the virtual retinal display patents were in the early 1990s so maybe we will start seeing them again now that awful companies don't have exclusive license to hoard the technology
11:58 < chris_99> they sound v. interesting fenn
11:58 < nmz787_w1> bbl
11:59 < chris_99> toodles
11:59 < chris_99> have you ever tried a retinal display fenn?
11:59 < fenn> no
12:00 < chris_99> i wonder how that deals with saccades
12:00 < fenn> they weren't being developed for VR anyway
12:01 < fenn> the main problem is the exit pupil size means you can only see them if you look directly at the display emitter
12:01 < fenn> the display just disappears when it goes into your peripheral vision
12:01 < chris_99> hmm, could they use a mirror that follows your pupil?
12:02 < fenn> i don't know how to build such a thing, but it's possible in principle
12:02 < fenn> you could also have multiple emitters
12:02 < chris_99> mmm
12:03 < chris_99> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_(weapon) was reading about this recently, i'm suprised that doesn't blind people permanently
12:07 < kanzure> "i don't know how to build such a thing, but it's possible in principle" famous last words
12:08 < chris_99> also with a VRD, would it have to take into account the curvature of the eye i wonder?
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12:42 < fenn> no because the beam is narrow enough it doesn't need to be in perfect focus
12:43 < chris_99> ah cool
12:43 < fenn> it will always be in focus
12:43 < chris_99> gotcha
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12:48 < fenn> silly cheap computers these days https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-w-joins-family/
12:59 < nmz787_w1> I just bought a used phone that was released in 2012... so much for planned obsolescense
12:59 < fenn> just don't let it try to update its software
12:59 < nmz787_w1> actually I'm ready to re-flash it when it arrives, to what used to be cyanogenmod
13:00 < fenn> i will need to do that to my phone
13:00 < fenn> eyes started glazing over last time i looked, maybe i'm doing it wrong
13:00 < nmz787_w1> I kept my current phone because it has a realsense-like 3D scanner camera thing... but the stupid SDK doesn't work with the manufacturer updates that I've received
13:01 < kanzure> it's just rooting yourself and installing a new bootloader and then dumping a new image to disk
13:01 < nmz787_w1> so not only has no one met my expectations of an awesome 3d scanner app... I couldn't even write one myself without something like rooting and then downgrading my OS or somethign
13:01 < fenn> what happened with "project tango"
13:02 < nmz787_w1> I think they were selling dev kits a year ago or so
13:02 < fenn> it was way older than that
13:02 < nmz787_w1> yeah
13:03 < nmz787_w1> "Your Project Tango Development Kit is Ready" 4/30/2015
13:03 < nmz787_w1> they wanted $512 plus shipping
13:03 < nmz787_w1> so I didn't bite
13:04 < nmz787_w1> https://get.google.com/tango/
13:04 < nmz787_w1> huh
13:04 < nmz787_w1> "Devices using Tango technology
13:04 < nmz787_w1> "
13:04 < nmz787_w1> https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-AR-ZS571KL/
13:04 < nmz787_w1> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tango
13:04 < chris_99> the lenovo is $499
13:05 < chris_99> did project tango use a ToF camera
13:05 < nmz787_w1> probably
13:05 < nmz787_w1> it was supposed to be sensor fusion stuff if I remember too
13:06 < nmz787_w1> so all sorts of data sources, jammed together with amazing algorithms# (* coming soon)
13:06 < chris_99> heh
13:08 < nmz787_w1> the asus zenfone AR looks pretty nice
13:08 < nmz787_w1> I like that the camera has both optical and electronic image stabilization, and F 2.0
13:09 < nmz787_w1> seems like it also has nice speakers on it
13:10 < chris_99> i've not actually looked at the aperture for phone cameras, but f2.0 seems very interresting, i assume you can't control the aperture size though?
13:10 < nmz787_w1> mmm, no I don't think so
13:10 < nmz787_w1> but with the depth-sensing, they just simulate it via depth-dependent blurring aftereffects
13:10 < chris_99> ahh
13:11 < chris_99> i found something kind of interesting wrt imaging sensors, i think it was sony, that developed a curved sensor, which apparently makes the lenses simpler
13:23 < nmz787_w1> cool
13:23 < nmz787_w1> when I was looking into spectrometer gratings, I settled on one that engineered curviness into the diffraction pattern
13:24 < nmz787_w1> I can't remember if it was actually concave or not, but I don't think so
13:24 < nmz787_w1> maybe it was
13:25 < nmz787_w1> yeah I guess they were also curved http://www.shimadzu.com/opt/products/dif/o-k25cur0000006ybr.html
13:25 < chris_99> neat
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14:55 < jrowe47> any tdcs users around?
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16:52 < kanzure> hrm
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17:23 < cluckj> yikes, facebook message, twitter dm, tweet, and email
17:23 < kanzure> hm?
17:24 < cluckj> reporter REALLY wanted to talk to me
17:24 < kanzure> "i'll do it for 50 pounds of insulin"
17:25 < cluckj> https://www.sujobopps.com/postings/69030 I wonder if they pay you in BTC
17:31 < cluckj> 50lbs of insulin is asking too much
17:32 < cluckj> that is about 2600 vials, which are worth about $300 each? so about $700k
17:33 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/SpringerNature/status/836585126876299265
17:33 < yoleaux> Ability to publish on http://nature.com affected by deep sea cable damage. We are working to resolve this issue asap. Our apologies. (@SpringerNature)
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20:16 < chatter29> hey guys
20:16 < chatter29> allah is doing
20:16 < chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
20:17 < chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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20:24 < abetusk> Does anyone remember the name or strategy for investing (or sending space missions, or whatever) given moore's law/exponential progress?
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22:10 < justan0theruser> openscad is great
22:10 < justan0theruser> or maybe I just hate freecad enough that I love openscad comparatively
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23:13 < abetusk> https://phys.org/news/2017-01-spanish-scientists-d-bioprinter-human.html
23:13 < abetusk> .title
23:13 < yoleaux> abetusk: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
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