--- Log opened Sun Mar 12 00:00:56 2017 00:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 00:35 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.136.97.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.136.97.21] has quit [Changing host] 01:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:26 < nmz787_> how do you identify admins that can quiet a user in a room? 01:26 < adlai> nmz787_: on irc in general, look for channel operators (prefixed with @) or server operators (prefixed with &) 01:27 < adlai> but most servers use bots that give these permissions on-demand to a set of users known to the bot 01:29 < nmz787_> hmm, I only see chanserv having an @ 01:29 < nmz787_> in this other room 01:30 < nmz787_> hmm, oddly when I use /names in this room, I don't see i.e. kanzure being listed with an @ or & prefix 01:34 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 01:38 < archels> /msg chanserv access ##hplusroadmap list 01:38 < archels> FreeNode is "special" 01:41 -!- Jenda` [~bablbam@dekatron.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41 -!- Jenda` [~bablbam@dekatron.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 < nmz787_> archels: thanks 03:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-129-180.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-224-192-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-160-243-211.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:30 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:22 < JayDugger> Morning. 06:28 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:e44f:35d2:3796:5688] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:58 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < JayDugger> kanzure, see pm 07:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 < kanzure> 07:32 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Entry Nickname/Host Flags 07:32 < kanzure> 07:32 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- ----- ---------------------- ----- 07:32 < kanzure> 07:32 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 1 kanzure +AFRefiorstv [modified 7y 2w 2d ago] 07:33 < kanzure> 7 years.. 07:34 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39 < kanzure> some historical aviation checklists https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910017830.pdf 07:39 < kanzure> page 12 is interesting, there's a mechanical checklist :) 08:14 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-218-110.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-129-180.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 < kanzure> JayDugger: why aren't these things automated yet? why is a human flipping a switch for flap control...? 09:29 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:33 < JayDugger> kanzure: snark aside, Mechanical interfaces tend to extreme conservatism, even when divorced from function. (Buttons come to mind, but at least their form follows function.) 09:34 < JayDugger> I think that tends to follow the lifespan and initial cost of the controlled device. Cars settled on steering wheels instead of tillers, and keyboard instruments didn't change their basic interface between the invention of the pianoforte and the electric piano. 09:34 < JayDugger> flap control not only has a manual switch, but by convention the knob on that handle has an airfoil's cross-section. Aviation folklore has it at least one fatal accident happened when an airman confused the flap control for the landing gear control. Each lever now has a distinctive knob 09:35 < JayDugger> And yes, the landing gear knob resembles a wheel. 09:36 < JayDugger> A fairly recent rationalization, say the last fifteen years or so, comes from a perverse side effect of increasingly competent automation. If the autopilot can fly the plane in ever closer to all conditions, then the remaining conditions where it fails require higher levels of skill from the human aircrew. 09:38 < JayDugger> Human aircrew has less opportunity to practice for those exigencies because the autopilot can handle almost everything else better and cheaper. 09:40 < JayDugger> So the persistent archaisms of the cockpits seem to provide an opportunity for humans to maintain what get called "basic airmanship." 09:40 < kanzure> "remaining conditions where it fails require higher levels of skill from the human aircrew" huh? those failures are still failures anyway, whether automation or human you still have to be trained. 09:41 < JayDugger> So the autopilot works, but does the wrong thing for the unusual conditions, say. The aircrew has to recognize the problem, override the autopilot, and fly the plane. 09:41 < JayDugger> The aircrew needs to do the right thing automatically, for which they have been trained. 09:41 < JayDugger> But human skill isn't always up to the task. 09:42 < JayDugger> In practice, it's almost always an unusual situation with multiple severe and simultaneous constraints. 09:43 < JayDugger> Like a bird strike taking out an engine while at low altitude in an urban area. 09:43 < kanzure> pfft that will never happen, and they certainly wouldn't make a film about it. 09:43 < JayDugger> The human aircrew took over, ditched in the nearest body of water, and then nearly got blamed anyway. 09:44 < JayDugger> But that doesn't always happen. Air France had the aircrew take over and then the aircrew did exactly the wrong thing without even realizing it. 09:44 < JayDugger> Literally pulled the controls exactly the wrong way under stress, IIRC. 09:47 < JayDugger> automation gets better faster, so the humans need every chance they can get to practice. Thus you get a rationalization for full controls in aircraft that can technically fly themselves. 09:48 < JayDugger> I think it can all get marked up to tradition, but I also think a pilot's real jobs are to share moral hazard, encourage the faint-hearted passengers, and reinforce social status. 09:48 < JayDugger> The joke about the cockpit of the future having a dog, an autopilot, and a pilot is even older than I am. 09:53 < JayDugger> (For the log: the autopilot flies the plane and the dog is there to bite the pilot if he tries to take over from the autopilot.) 10:11 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 -!- TC is now known as Guest81657 10:15 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:36 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.142.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < streety> Might we see in the future an autopilot/trainer hybrid? The autopilot knows what situations the pilot has encountered and how recently and switches itself off if it decides the pilot needs more practice time in the environment coming up 11:21 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:50 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:d159:f775:45d:6769] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:d159:f775:45d:6769] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:14 < kanzure> various words about high prices from pharmaceutical companies http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i9/Pushback.html 13:18 < nmz787_> don't we have "summarize this" article-parsing AI yet? 13:18 < nmz787_> where is the .summarize bot? 13:20 < nmz787_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA--ZEJLoH8 13:20 < nmz787_> .title 13:20 < yoleaux> Do Not Go Gentle. #GOBOLDLY - TV - YouTube 13:21 < nmz787_> pretty sweet video if I must say 13:24 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.104.91.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 < nmz787_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RePtDvh4Yq4 13:24 < nmz787_> .title 13:24 < yoleaux> Mammas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys (Waylon & Willie) w/ lyrics - YouTube 13:24 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.104.91.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 < nmz787_> seems like a similar message, but maybe for a different variety of people 13:44 < kanzure> a pharma ad? 13:58 < nmz787_> yeah 13:58 < nmz787_> i mean, that go boldly wasn't really a pharma ad 13:58 < nmz787_> as much as "grow up to be a bio scientist" 13:59 < nmz787_> which is pretty much "doctors and stuff" 14:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59 < nmz787_> got n-pulse mode working last night on this microcontroller 15:31 -!- Guest4561 [~gunit1@ip47.ip-149-56-250.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:33 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:35 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:36 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- Guest4561 [~gunit1@ip47.ip-149-56-250.net] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:50 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.142.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:22 < kanzure> "Methylphenidate enhances NMDA-receptor response in medial prefrontal cortex via sigma-1 receptor: a novel mechanism for methylphenidate action." http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051910 16:44 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:154:3ecd:b525:e1e5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:4470:d993:38db:5968] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:4470:d993:38db:5968] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51 < fenn> someone figured out what sigma receptor does finally? 17:51 < fenn> "Drugs known to be ?-agonists include ... the herbal antidepressant berberine." huh? 18:13 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.104.91.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09 -!- c0rw1n_ [~c0rw1n@138.32-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.155.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-218-110.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:28 < fenn> In the year 2017, the United States has fragmented into postapocalyptic wastelands and limited civilized areas. One of the effects of the economic crisis is a decline in manufacturing, and heavy emphasis on recycling aging 20th-century mechanical equipment. Society has become increasingly bureaucratic and hypersexualized, with the declining number of human sexual encounters requiring contracts 20:28 < fenn> drawn up by lawyers prior to sexual activity. At the same time, robotic technology has made tremendous developments 20:29 < fenn> sounds legit 20:34 < kanzure> escape from los angeles was supposed to be about 2013 20:35 < kanzure> and hokuto no ken was about "199x" 20:54 < kanzure> that antibody chemoenzymatic modification technique was neat. 20:54 < kanzure> not clear to me why they were using a two-antibody system 20:57 < yashgaroth> in that sigma receptor paper? where are you referring to 20:58 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.142.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 < yashgaroth> I assume something other than the western blot 21:05 < kanzure> no no 21:05 < kanzure> "Multiplexed confocal and super-resolution fluorescence imaging of cytoskeletal and neuronal synapse proteins" http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/02/25/111625 https://twitter.com/eboyden3/status/836175796117065728 21:06 < kanzure> from yesterday http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-03-11.log 21:06 -!- rk[ghost] [~rak@cpe-66-61-32-99.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.104.91.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:17 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.142.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:21 < yashgaroth> well two antibodies is traditionally how it's done for these this sort of imaging, so I'd guess they're using it to compare efficacy with their fluorescent ssLNA probes 22:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:38 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- abetusk is now known as Guest1117 23:37 -!- nnnn20430 [nnnn@lightning.bouncer.ml] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.136.97.85] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.136.97.85] has quit [Changing host] 23:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:42 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Mar 13 00:00:57 2017