--- Log opened Thu May 18 00:00:57 2017 00:01 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4078:ab39:1b65:59a7:cd65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4078:ab39:1b65:59a7:cd65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 -!- marciogm [~xxxIdent@unaffiliated/marciogm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13 -!- marciogm [~xxxIdent@unaffiliated/marciogm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-103-222-233.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:55 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:14 -!- 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cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-52-166-30.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@adsk-nat-ip6.autodesk.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17 < kanzure> huh, there's actually a bunch of private islands in the world, like >100k 06:27 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:32 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-julftdussyfuqkzm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:55 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.158.127.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:58 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-103-222-233.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- kwgwk [~kwgwk@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:22 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=3e2b98e7 Bryan Bishop: include reference for a confusing statement >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-bitcoin-selection-cryptography/ 11:52 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:59ce:12b5:d1a:697f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- kwgwk [~kwgwk@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser 12:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 -!- sachy [~sachy@nat.brmlab.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f2009436ddd2964693af.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:16 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:16 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 < kanzure> for "iterative in vitro enzyme decoding of an encoded DNA molecule" it could work like this: exclusively use alternative unnatural nucleotides. maybe 16. one of them needs to be a "NOP". then we engineer a bunch of enzymes that fuzzymatch long stretches of a certain unnatural nucleotide and replace it with a single normal nucleotide (ATGC). in between these stretches, have lots of NOPs, and th... 13:19 < kanzure> ...e enzymes should fall off as soon as they hit a NOP sequence. later, use an enzyme that exclusively removes NOPs from a dna molecule. 13:20 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:20 < kanzure> the most magic component there would be the enzyme doing the fuzzymatch of long stretches of a certain unatural nucleotide, and replacing that segment with a single nucleotide. that's not something that resembles any existing enzymatic activity. and for especially long stretches like >20 bp you basically need the ezyme to "grab" the begining of the segment ad hold on to it for a while. which ... 13:20 < kanzure> ...is not a behavior we see. 13:22 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_code 13:33 < kanzure> "The chief attraction of the repetition code is the ease of implementation." 13:34 < kanzure> .wik repeat-accumulate code 13:34 < yoleaux> "In computer science, repeat-accumulate codes (RA codes) are a low complexity class of error-correcting codes. They were devised so that their ensemble weight distributions are easy to derive. RA codes were introduced by Divsalar et al." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeat-accumulate_code 13:58 < kanzure> nmz787_: what is the actual cost of DNA synthesis in an inkjetting scenario, if there's no sequencing and no size limit to the molecules in each spot? 13:58 < kanzure> nmz787_: like the $0.03/bp prices are usually because of sequencing, right 13:58 < kanzure> ? 14:10 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f2009436ddd2964693af.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:10 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxrbevunnezpgjto] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- augur [~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d09d:ceef:1f7b:a623] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- augur [~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d09d:ceef:1f7b:a623] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15 -!- augur [~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d09d:ceef:1f7b:a623] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 -!- augur [~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d09d:ceef:1f7b:a623] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:59ce:12b5:d1a:697f] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.66.31.98] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:55 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: replaced monitor electrolytic caps, gonna reboot and see if OS detects.] 16:59 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- augur [~augur@208.66.31.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:65e5:be41:3c9c:c816] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:10 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:65e5:be41:3c9c:c816] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:00 < nmz787_> kanzure: I don't actually know, I tried asking yashgaroth about the prices of the gene arrays, since I think those are pretty much what you're asking for... but he didn't know when I asked 18:05 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 < kanzure> the cost that twist quotes is probably including sequencing and stuff.. 18:07 -!- augur [~augur@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- augur [~augur@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:16 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.145.82.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxrbevunnezpgjto] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:24 < nmz787_> well, they were also requiring 100s of megabases to be purchase 18:25 < nmz787_> and as yash said "I'll believe it when I see it" 18:57 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 < nmz787_> we gotta get "I'll believe it when I see it" t-shirt logo designs 19:03 < yashgaroth> the vast majority of gene synthesis cost at 3c/bp is sequencing and assembly, mostly sequencing 19:06 < yashgaroth> plus paying off all their fancy machines; I'd say profit too but I doubt twist is profitable 19:08 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:65e5:be41:3c9c:c816] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:08 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:65e5:be41:3c9c:c816] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:08 < nmz787_> testing the permutations of swapping at mis-alignment sites would be something like MAGE? 19:12 < nmz787_> tracking combinations could be tricky 19:14 < yashgaroth> similar 19:33 < nmz787_> so this whole FIB transport thing and requirement of forklift rentals, has me really interested in mech suits 19:59 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: . ###physics ##ultimatefreedom ##drugs ##ecology ##ads ##sexology ##nudism ##fringescience .] 20:06 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri May 19 00:00:58 2017