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03:25 < archels_> "Seek simplicity and distrust it." -- Alfred North Whitehead
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04:47 < kanzure> hmph
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05:53 < PortCityBlitz> Good morning all
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06:01 < kanzure> greetings. yes?
06:07 < PortCityBlitz> Greetings indeed.
06:08 < kanzure> no i mean what do you want
06:14 < PortCityBlitz> Information.
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09:57 < nmz787> I guess PortCity got their ports closed
10:01 < Douhet> portcity was...?
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10:37 < kanzure> read your backlog
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11:10 < kanzure> https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2017/07/introducing-Transfer-Appliance-Sneakernet-for-the-cloud-era.html
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11:24 < kanzure> https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/
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13:29 < kanzure> having fun with network partitions https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/85
13:41 < poppingtonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHlbC74RJGU
13:41 < poppingtonic> .title
13:41 < yoleaux> Stanford Seminar: Neuromorphic Chips: Addressing the Nanostransistor Challenge - YouTube
13:52 < nmz787> heh, I was just reading Intel's neuromorphic computing effort yesterday via something internal
13:53 < nmz787> "As transistors shrink to nanoscale dimensions, trapped electrons--blocking "lanes" of electron traffic--are making it difficult for digital computers to work. In stark contrast, the brain works fine with single-lane nanoscale devices that are intermittently blocked (ion channels)."
13:53 < nmz787> hrmm, ions are a whole heck of a lot bigger than electrons
13:54 < poppingtonic> Last night, I read arstechnica's description of IBM modifying the TrueNorth project to compute convolutional neural networks. I looked for "neuromorphic chips" on youtube and saw that. See the website: https://web.stanford.edu/group/brainsinsilicon/
13:57 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 brain works fine because there is a whole lot of  noisy ion channels for every single bit of computation
13:58 < poppingtonic> https://web.stanford.edu/group/brainsinsilicon/documents/CISE-NeuromorphsProspectus.pdf
13:58 < emeraldgreen> poppingtonic Would be cool if fabled "Millivolt switch" would be finally developed
13:58 < poppingtonic> "A Neuromorph's Prospectus"
13:59 < nmz787> emeraldgreen: my point is that statement is comparing vastly different mechanisms
13:59 < nmz787> gating electrons is a different regime of physics than gating ions
13:59 < poppingtonic> https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/pocket-brains-neuromorphic-hardware-arrives-for-our-brain-inspired-algorithms/
13:59 < poppingtonic> .title
13:59 < yoleaux> Pocket brains: Neuromorphic hardware arrives for our brain-inspired algorithms | Ars Technica
14:02 < poppingtonic> emeraldgreen: what's the story there?
14:02 < poppingtonic> with the millivolt switch...
14:04 < emeraldgreen> poppingtonic well lower-voltage switches are thermodynamically possible but has not been implemented yet, if they were it'd be  a breakthrough in energy efficiency
14:05 < emeraldgreen> http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338
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14:07 < nmz787> meh, they've been saying that for decades
14:07 < nmz787> they're just gonna switch to a new material
14:08 < poppingtonic> I think neuromorphics are the "new material". Make computation analog+digital again.
14:09  * nmz787 learning about DDR and RAM controllers
14:18 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 well the default outcome is: switch does not happen, stagnation ensues (already in effect)
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14:20 < nmz787> emeraldgreen: there is no such stagnation... we are still keeping up with Moore's
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14:23 < poppingtonic> nmz787 err... if you watch the video I posted, Dr. Boahen explains how the problems with stagnation are the reason why FIN-FETs were invented.
14:23 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 strictly speaking, moore's already ended
14:23 < emeraldgreen> sad but true
14:23 < nmz787> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/intel-is-keeping-moores-law-alive-by-making-bigger-improvements-less-often/
14:24  * nmz787 works at Intel
14:25 < emeraldgreen> moore's was about "every 18 months"
14:25 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 really ?
14:25 < nmz787> yup
14:25 < poppingtonic> he gives an apt analogy involving 5-lane traffic with accidents randomly occuring. You get 4, then 3, 2, and if that random event blocks the final lane, the transistor channel is blocked.
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14:25 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 wow you must be under lots of NDAs
14:25 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 I thought Intel was going to stop scaling at 10 nm
14:25 < nmz787> yeah pretty much can't talk about anything for 2 years after leaving
14:26 < nmz787> https://www.extremetech.com/computing/244133-intel-will-finally-finish-fab-42-bring-new-7nm-capacity-online
14:26 < emeraldgreen> I'm an outsider, but looks like either 5nm or 3nm will be the last process for a long time, available only to few highest-volume applications
14:27 < emeraldgreen> with 500M$ NRE costs of 3nm chip
14:27 < nmz787> hard to say, I just know there is a ton of research in all different directions
14:27 < emeraldgreen> cool then! Let's see how it plays out
14:27 < nmz787> yeah but I got a SEM for $200 that probably cost $300k new
14:28 < nmz787> so costs are variable
14:28 < nmz787> people throw whole computers away today like it's nothing (cell phones)... salt and pepper are free at McDonalds while we get the word /salary/ from ppl being paid in salt previously
14:32 < emeraldgreen> would be cool if computing-enabled devices had detachable "compute units" in them and you could just swap it out and put 'em into your cluster
14:32 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 dunno what's your point. Money are relative ?
14:33 < emeraldgreen> with right tech money change their nature (from being necessary for life to being merely politically important), but we are far from that point, if we are even going to reach it at all
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15:02 < nmz787> emeraldgreen: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-card/intel-compute-card.html
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15:07 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 yup, it's cool
15:08 < emeraldgreen> If I had more time and $ I'd try to build an open laptop around open compute card and open battery
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15:26 < nmz787> I def asked the computecard team for a touchscreen attachment
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16:42 < kanzure> $500 lidar toy https://www.seeedstudio.com/SDP-Mini-RPlidar-Experimental-Platform-p-2905.html https://www.slamtec.com/en/Lidar
16:44 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14799343
16:44 < yoleaux> Apollo - An open autonomous driving platform | Hacker News
16:44 < kanzure> https://github.com/ApolloAuto/apollo
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18:35 < kanzure> whhhhhy make it about 3d printing :( https://angel.co/standard-cyborg
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19:14 < kanzure> Asa9: greetings
19:15 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14800000
19:15 < yoleaux> Desktop Metal gets $115M in funding to deliver metal 3D printing | Hacker News
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20:15 < kanzure> .title https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/patches/468/
20:15 < yoleaux> BRL-CAD / Patches / #468 OpenCL code to weave segments into partitions
20:16 < kanzure> http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Marco-domingues/GSoC17/Log#21_June
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