--- Log opened Sun Jul 23 00:00:57 2017 00:14 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:57 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23 -!- reacaptcha [1f0b8088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.11.128.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:23 -!- reacaptcha [1f0b8088@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.11.128.136] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has quit [Quit: Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui] 02:59 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19 < kanzure> hrm 03:38 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:24 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:29 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:55 < cluckj> kanzure, I think they are abbreviations for journal names 06:08 -!- me_test [5ab6a6c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.182.166.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:24 -!- me_test [5ab6a6c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.182.166.194] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:29 < streety> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra - the journal articles represent just the small subset of possible analyses the original researchers were interested in/thought about that are possible from the collected data 06:34 < jrayhawk> oh, bip91 locked in? cool 06:35 < jrayhawk> it looked like jihans best option was to block that in perpetuity; i am surprised that didn't happen 06:39 < kanzure> and now the task is to wait and see whether bip91 is completely-enforced or merely partly-enforced. 06:44 < jrayhawk> the sybil-astroturf game is strong on reddit, too. i wonder if an outside identity/reputation engine can be used to dampen that on crypto stories in various venues. 06:44 < jrayhawk> like PGP or x509 or some Google+/Facebook verification system or something 06:47 < kanzure> and then you flood out all the new people 06:52 < kanzure> it's the same problem with roger ver: just because someone has established identity doesn't mean that they have good ideas about how bitcoin works. 07:08 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:11 < jrayhawk> Humans are subject to influence by perceived consensus, though, which is what's being theoretically exploited 08:12 < kanzure> yes well at least subreddits have glorious moderators like theymos 08:12 < kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1/wellkept_gardens_die_by_pacifism/ and such 08:14 < jrayhawk> Which is an explicit manipulation of perceived consensus; it would be nice to force the other side into being explicit about it as well. 08:15 < kanzure> er.... processing. 08:16 < kanzure> "other side" == anyone taking advantage of costless identities, right? 08:16 < jrayhawk> Yeah. 08:17 < kanzure> do you specifically mean reddit 08:17 < kanzure> *n reddit 08:17 < kanzure> *on 08:17 < jrayhawk> Or any communication medium, really. 08:17 < kanzure> nanotube: hey why did your WoT reputation IRC stuff never get extended to r/bitcoin 08:18 < jrayhawk> Like if I ran a venue like Hackernews, I would be deeply uncomfortable with what was taking place in the comments. 08:18 < kanzure> there are a number of central problems with reputation systems that i think will work against you 08:19 < kanzure> but in the interest of teasing out good ideas from you, i sort of don't want to mention them :-) 08:20 < kanzure> what about a metric for users such that they can get a score/rating of how much of the content they are consuming was produced by costless identities 08:23 < kanzure> i think you also need WoT-weighted votes that can be homomorphically queried to see whether different factions are asserting which scores to which content.. homomorphic because otherwise you are leaking privacy, and Wot-weighting and WoT-subgraphs so that you can see whether the content has been labeled as under dispute between the users it is accusing or something. i don't think this helps much. 08:24 < kanzure> i recently made a comment on hacker news about how prediction markets don't really help with resolving disputes between factions because the factions will simply refuse to agree on a mutually trustworthy judge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14816947 08:25 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 < jrayhawk> oh, whoops, i meant to say that the sybil-astroturf game was strong on hackernews 08:27 < jrayhawk> i have been awake too long 08:30 < kanzure> well it's strong in a bunch of places 08:49 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:05 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@105.165.145.101] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@105.165.145.101] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omigpvlkqvuyvitx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:44 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 < nmz787> rk[ghost]: jrayhawk might tell you something different about beans being human food... personally I think human digestion is complex enough that some things work much better for some people 11:57 < rk[ghost]> oh interesting. i would be curious to hear. 11:57 < rk[ghost]> however, surely it is more human food than cow's milk =P 11:57 < nmz787> streety: from my experience, the transaction fee is paid by the customer, and also is choosable... I unknowingly chose a near-ridiculously low fee and it took like a day or something to make it through 11:58 < rk[ghost]> i do agree with the idea that humans are of many types and 1 diet does not fit all. 11:58 < rk[ghost]> so far beans work for me.. 1 of the 4 staple foods of my diet =P 12:00 < nmz787> rk[ghost]: by different market, do you mean much larger volumes then? 12:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:08 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:11 < streety> nmz787: good point. Although waiting for the payment to clear has its own issues. 12:12 < streety> rk[ghost]: what do you mean by "human food"? Easy to make the argument both ways 12:14 < nmz787> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/07/how-a-guy-from-a-montana-trailer-park-upturned-150-years-of-biology/491702/ 12:14 < nmz787> .title 12:14 < yoleaux> How a Guy From a Montana Trailer Park Overturned 150 Years of Biology - The Atlantic 12:15 < nmz787> somehow ppl missed a 3rd sybiont for 150 years 12:16 < rk[ghost]> streety: by human food i mean input to humans for nutrition. 12:16 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 < rk[ghost]> nmz787: no, by different market, i mean alternative folks. like small communities of DIYers. 12:17 < streety> items from which humans are able to quickly extract nutrition? items from which humans are able to extract all the nutrition they need? something else? 12:20 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29 < rk[ghost]> items from which humans can extract some of the nutrition from which they need and not extract poisions / cause unecessary stress on said human 12:29 < rk[ghost]> a little vague i know.. i will think on it to better clarify.. 12:30 < nmz787> probably better business to stay away from nutritious dogma and instead simply sell beans to whoever chooses to eat them 12:30 < rk[ghost]> aye. 12:30 < rk[ghost]> it is also confusing because a "human" is a multitude of organisms.. and you need to feed your internal microbes as well 12:30 < nmz787> I personally really enjoy garbanzo beans 12:31 < rk[ghost]> so although it doesn't seem like "humans" need fructose.. the microbes in our gut which help us do 12:31 < rk[ghost]> hummus is grand :) 12:31 < nmz787> I like falafel better 12:31 < rk[ghost]> you know, you are the second person to talk about garbanzo beans in the past 2 days.. and i have a bag of them staring at me for a couple weeks now 12:31 < fenn> they're called chickpeas, heretics 12:31 < nmz787> :) 12:31 < nmz787> he sells beans! 12:32 < nmz787> not peas 12:32 < fenn> exactly 12:32 < nmz787> (or wants to) 12:32 < rk[ghost]> the last time i got sick, was right after eating a big bowl of garbanzo beans.. so i am currently on the fence with them =P 12:32 < rk[ghost]> aye, i didn't get an opportunity to farm this year:/ 12:33 < rk[ghost]> all i have growing is a couple potatoes, a sweetpotato, and a cactus.. 12:33 < rk[ghost]> however, i may try to find somewhere to build a geothermal greenhouse for the winter.. and grow.. beans! 12:33 < rk[ghost]> black beans are my particular favorite. 12:33 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 * nmz787 now researching growing chickpeas 12:36 < nmz787> hmm, night temps here in NW Oregon might be too cold 12:38 < nmz787> apparently better suited for NE Oregon 12:45 -!- rk[ghost] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:00 -!- rk[ghost] [~rak@c-76-121-96-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:01 -!- rk[ghost] [~rak@c-76-121-96-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:03 -!- rk[ghost] [~rak@c-76-121-96-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:12 < nanotube> kanzure: hrm dunno... nobody got around to it? :) 13:32 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 < kanzure> nanotube: ok but no specific reason. 13:58 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omigpvlkqvuyvitx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:03 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:17 < wrldpcmbl> Like any bean you need to soak them over night before cooking. "Soak: Soaking beans before cooking helps to remove some of those indigestible sugars that cause flatulence. There are two simple ways to get the job done: Regular soak: Put beans into a large bowl and cover with 2 to 3 inches of cool, clean water. Set aside at room temperature for 8 hours or overnight; drain well." 14:17 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.102.167.206] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:17 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@196.102.167.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:44 < kanzure> yashgaroth: sup 14:44 < yashgaroth> yo 14:44 < yoleaux> 16 Jul 2017 22:12Z yashgaroth: you going to this? http://www.raadfest.com/ 14:44 < yoleaux> 22 Jul 2017 23:48Z yashgaroth: look what you've done https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828191 14:44 < yashgaroth> seven hundred dollars 14:47 < kanzure> just show up? 14:47 < yashgaroth> I just put in a gene synthesis order for what I'm pretty sure ACE-2494 is; that $700 is far better spent than on snake oil fest 14:48 < yashgaroth> I'm not good at subterfuge, but I'll give it a shot on the weekend maybe 14:49 < yashgaroth> oh hmm there's a 2-day pass for $300 14:50 < kanzure> even for $300 i think it's just worth showing up and leaving if they kick you out, it's not really that important 14:54 < yashgaroth> $300 is slightly too steep a price to just show up and heckle steve perry...maybe at $200 14:55 < yashgaroth> and I'm pretty sure that woman's finger magnet from the article is degrading and leeching into her blood, since they're not supposed to get that weak 14:58 < kanzure> huh? i mean show up without paying of course. 15:02 < yashgaroth> yeah but I really wanna heckle 15:02 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:08 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:08 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:40 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@cpe-70-95-204-229.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:51 < jrayhawk> Is there a 15:51 < jrayhawk> thingiverse equivalent for paid licensing of STL files? 15:51 < jrayhawk> Not like shapeways-style printing out, just the files 15:52 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you are want https://www.blendermarket.com/ ? 15:53 < jrayhawk> Huh, I wouldn't have expeced such a marketplace to marry itself quite so strongly to a single toolchain. 15:57 < kanzure> i dunno if this is any good but https://www.turbosquid.com/3d 16:01 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 21:26 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Wed May 20 12:46:25 2015] 21:26 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 21:26 [ abetusk ] [ c0rw1n ] [ hehelleshin ] [ kuldeep ] [ preview_ ] [ strages ] 21:26 [ adlai ] [ catern ] [ HEx1 ] [ maaku ] [ Qfwfq ] [ streety ] 21:26 [ AgenttiX ] [ cluckj ] [ hylleddin ] [ Madars ] [ QuadIgni ] [ superkuh ] 21:26 [ altersid ] [ Cory ] [ indiebio ] [ Malvolio ] [ rancyd ] [ Taek ] 21:26 [ andytoshi ] [ danfox ] [ Iriez ] [ marciogm ] [ rancyd_ ] [ thundara ] 21:26 [ anonnumberanon] [ docl ] [ JayDugger ] [ mf1008 ] [ redlegion ] [ thxffo ] 21:26 [ archels_ ] [ Douhet ] [ Jenda` ] [ midnightmagic] [ Reventlov ] [ TMA ] 21:26 [ augur ] [ Dumuzi ] [ jenelizabeth_ ] [ mrdata ] [ rk[ghost] ] [ vikraman ] 21:26 [ balrog ] [ dustinm ] [ Joshchamp ] [ nanotube ] [ sachy ] [ wrldpcmbl ] 21:26 [ berndj ] [ EnabrinTain ] [ jrayhawk ] [ nickjohnson ] [ sandeepkr ] [ y0no ] 21:26 [ bkero ] [ ensign ] [ juri_ ] [ nsh ] [ satori_ ] [ yashgaroth_] 21:26 [ blueskin ] [ entity8421[m]] [ justan0theruser] [ pasky ] [ saurik ] [ ybit ] 21:26 [ BobaMa ] [ ExeciN ] [ juul ] [ pent ] [ sivoais ] [ yoleaux ] 21:26 [ Burnin8 ] [ gwillen ] [ kanzure ] [ pompolic ] [ soylentbomb] [ yorick ] 21:26 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 84 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 84 normal] 21:26 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 21:26 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@bryan.fairlystable.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Changing host] 21:27 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@unaffiliated/nmz787] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thanks for the maintenance work. 21:33 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 465 secs 21:55 < jrayhawk> wiki editing stuff might be broken for a while; i don't really have a sponsor for that work anymore 21:55 < yoleaux> 00:53Z jrayhawk: some of these are paid: https://brmlab.cz/project/reprap/mk2#kde_hledat_modly 21:56 < jrayhawk> Huh, neat 21:57 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@cpe-70-95-204-229.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57 -!- preview [~preview@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has joined ##hplusroadmap