--- Log opened Fri Aug 04 00:00:39 2017
00:10 < archels_> wooo, got accepted as a volunteer for BDYHAX 2018 https://bodyhackingcon.com/
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05:28 < kanzure> they were advertising on the radio a lot last year.
06:01 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/eboyden3/status/893410032724959232
06:02 < kanzure> "Neuronal cell-type classification: challenges, opportunities and the path forward" https://twitter.com/NatRevNeurosci/status/893441518459133952
06:02 < kanzure> "Acetylcholinesterase plays a non-neuronal, non-esterase role in organogenesis" http://dev.biologists.org/content/144/15/2764 https://twitter.com/Dev_journal/status/893441621559308288
06:03 < kanzure> "A dsRNA virus with filamentous viral particles" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-00237-9 https://twitter.com/Virus_Parasite/status/893098827774910464
06:04 < kanzure> "EBV epigenetically suppresses the B cell-to-plasma cell differentiation pathway while establishing long-term latency" http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2001992 https://twitter.com/emble64/status/893431398505304064
06:04 < kanzure> above is a paper about a virus that attacks the immune system more directly.
06:06 < kanzure> "A flagellum-specific chaperone facilitates assembly of the core type III export apparatus of the bacterial flagellum" http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2002267 https://twitter.com/SecretionPapers/status/893370292655009792
06:08 < kanzure> NgAlgo paper has been retracted :( http://www.nature.com/news/authors-retract-controversial-ngago-gene-editing-study-1.22412 https://twitter.com/NatureNews/status/893386046758670336
06:11 < kanzure> flypi (i think we saw this one last month?) http://hackaday.com/2017/08/03/optogenetics-for-100-euros/ http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2002702
06:13 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/MozillaScience
06:19 < kanzure> here is a long presentation on "theoretical neuroscience and deep learning" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Ganguli%20-%20Theoretical%20Neuroscience%20and%20Deep%20Learning.pdf
06:20 < kanzure> here is a review of a pocket sized dmd projector for phones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gv6GbIpaV4
06:23 < kanzure> "Engineered epidermal progenitor cells can correct diet-induced obesity and diabetes" http://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/fulltext/S1934-5909(17)30274-6 https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/893176898670313472
06:24 < kanzure> "crispr skin grafts" O_o
06:31 < andytoshi> http://www.overcomingbias.com/2017/08/foom-justifies-ai-risk-efforts-now.html strange post by robin hanson in which he claims corporations are harmless (wat) so AI will be too
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06:45 < cluckj> he's been replaced by an AI, obviously
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07:35 < TMA> the AI safety question -- it probably all boils down to whether the interlocutor thinks of himself as a good or bad person [evidence notwithstanding].
07:37 < TMA> a """good""" person does not fear -- he knows that he's either harmless or benevolent and projects this belief to others and AIs; the other case fears himself and projects accordingly
07:39 < TMA> corporation are indeed harmless -- in the sense that the perceived evil done by them is negligible in comparison to imaginable evil
07:40 < TMA> but that is not caused by some intrinsic corporate property
07:41 < TMA> or rather than harmless, I should have written """harmless""" with the scary quotes
07:43 < TMA> the "harmlessness" is due to inefficiencies present
07:44 < TMA> considering AIs harmless analogously to corporations is equivalent to considering AIs dumb
07:46 < TMA> which is true at present, but that's no longer quite as true in the future where smart AIs are present
07:47 < cluckj> sounds like a pretty philosophical argument...
07:49 < TMA> [as a side note: a corporation's harmlessness can be upped a notch by removing the founder(s) and substituting them with off-the-mill business-school graduate professional CEOs]
07:50 < TMA> cluckj: that does not necessarily invalidate it
07:54 < TMA> also: in considering the harmlessness of corporations, we need to consider other structures that operate on the same principles -- namely the states
07:55 < kanzure> what is wrong with considering all possible cogintive architectures to be inherently unsafe?
07:57 < TMA> we have a limited amount of reference data, but so far every data point supports that approach
07:57 < kanzure> it doesn't answer my question though :-)
07:59 < TMA> sorry, I am not inclined to argue against my own position today -- I do think that "considering all possible cogintive architectures to be inherently unsafe" is the way to go forward
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08:00 < kanzure> oh man i typoed cognitive? damn.
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08:31 < sachy> kanzure: nobody would notice without your "damnology" :)
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10:23 < kanzure> an AES backdoor https://underhandedcrypto.com/2017/07/31/2017-runner-up-neville-longbottom/
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12:56 < pasky> safety is a spectrum :)
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16:15 < kanzure> machine learning stuff https://explosion.ai/blog/prodigy-annotation-tool-active-learning
16:16 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14929223
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20:48 < kanzure> bort
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21:27 < mrdata_> abort?
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23:30 < kanzure> nah
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