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05:13 < kanzure> maaku: biology seems to be easier than the skdb stuff... because at least cells are already self-replicating.
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05:45 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/900330675919867904
05:45 < yoleaux> 100 designer babies by 2030. 1 million designer babies by 2045. Next baby boom? (@kanzure)
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06:10 < streety> for comparison, there are supposedly 368000 births per day globally
06:11 < streety> so there will be 1 million non-designer babies by the weekend
06:11 < kanzure> yep. my numbers are extremely conservative.
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06:22 < kanzure> "neuromodulation of neural microcircuits" conference https://nm2.epfl.ch/
06:31 < kanzure> "A headless torso found in waters off Denmark has been identified as missing Swedish journalist Kim Wall, Danish police say."
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kennethreitz> before i had my first bipolar episode, i would have been super into hplusroadmap
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kanzure> what's so bad about being manic?
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kennethreitz> i wrote an article about it
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kennethreitz> i thought i was god
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kanzure> so... mania.
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kennethreitz> and many other dieties
06:46 < kanzure> 06:45 < kanzure> more than one?
06:53 < kanzure> 06:51 < kennethreitz> my bioplar is responsible for my success
06:54 < kanzure> 06:53 < kennethreitz> it's download 13 million times a month and powers like the whole cloud
06:54 < kanzure> 06:54 < kennethreitz> but i was def manic when i wrote it
06:54 < kanzure> 06:54 < kennethreitz> and drunk when i wrote the docs
06:54 < kanzure> 06:54 < kennethreitz> which are praised as being some of the best docs ever
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07:21 < ybit> https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/22/this-23-year-old-just-closed-her-second-fund-which-is-focused-on-aging-with-22-million/
07:21 < ybit> https://longevity.vc/
07:25 < kanzure> ehh let's see if they invest in anything good.
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07:36 < kanzure> human music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm41dHucxmM
07:36 < ybit> .title https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/21/y-combinator-summer-2017/
07:36 < yoleaux> All 50 startups from Y Combinator’s Summer 2017 Demo Day 1 | TechCrunch
07:42 < kanzure> it's day 2 today.
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08:15 < kanzure> ".... Antoxerene, a pharmaceutical company that develops small molecule drugs for pathways of aging, announced the closing of an oversubscribed $1.5M seed round. Michael Greve’s Kizoo Technology Capital, SENS Research Foundation, and private investors participated in the round."
08:18 < kanzure> http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/flip-ocean-research-platform-scripps
08:18 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15078094
08:18 < yoleaux> A ship that flips 90 degrees for precise scientific measurements | Hacker News
08:19 < kanzure> ybit: https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/22/yc-demo-day-s17-day-2/
08:22 < kanzure> "Enzyme – FDA compliance as a service. Enzyme is building software to help life sciences companies with FDA approval and regulatory compliance. Using Enzyme’s software, those companies can avoid spending money on costly consultants which in turn can reduce their compliance costs by up to 50 percent. Since 10 percent of all personnel in biopharma and life sciences companies are related to ...
08:22 < kanzure> ...regulatory issues, it can lower headcount as well."
08:22 < kanzure> http://enzyme.io/
08:24 < kanzure> "Surematics – Software that helps structure commercial insurance contracts. ... helping commercial insurance brokers structure complicated deals online. awkward expensive items like oil rigs. companies to collaborate together to create enforceable contracts."
08:25 < kanzure> "Just Appraised – Better appraisal software for governments. local governments have to appraise properties to determine their value. Since about a third of all local government revenues come from property taxes, they rely on that data, but collecting the information is inefficient and frequently inaccurate. Just Appraised uses machine learning to evaluate public and private data, which ...
08:25 < kanzure> ...enables it to build a comprehensive proprietary dataset. In addition to money it makes from local governments, that dataset can be resold to other companies relying on property value information in the real estate industry."
08:25 < kanzure> "Advano is building lithium ion batteries that can store more energy at higher density using silicon-based additives"
08:36 < kanzure> alright well that was less than exciting
08:38 < kanzure> http://revgenomics.com/ "Rev Genomics thinks that it can create the best marijuana with biotechnology. Using everything from CRISPR to genomic selection, the startup believes that it has what it takes to make the “best cannabis in the world"."
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11:00 < fenn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BYIPmEFAIIn/  spaceX space suit
11:00 < fenn> at least it's a pressure suit
11:03 < kanzure> what about cozy long-journey attire. bah.
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11:18 < FourFire> kanzure, what is the status of your inkjet synthesis project?
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11:21 < kanzure> FourFire: need to hire a chemist.  talking with semiconductor people soon in a more formal setting in september. gp-write project is midly interested but we'll see what they can get done.
11:22 < kanzure> FourFire: fenn's recent design proposal is to mae an injet printhead with 1 billion nozzles ("the gigaprinter")
11:22 < kanzure> *make
11:23 < FourFire> what are current high end printheads?
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11:24 < kanzure> 2k nozzles at 40 kHz, for ink
11:25 < kanzure> but higher rates (1 MHz and up) have been tested. problem is overheating and engineers haven't looked at the problem yet.   should be easy to cool the inkjet printheads.
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11:26 < kanzure> so 2k nozzles * 40 kHz = number of drops per second (although this doesn't consider the fire error rate)
11:26 < rpifan> hi
11:27 < kanzure> GREETINGS
11:31 < rpifan> whats this chan about
11:31 < kanzure> rpifan: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/
11:32 < nmz787> kanzure: semi folks invited me to some roadmap development thing
11:32 < kanzure> additional thing?
11:32 < nmz787> seems like
11:33 < nmz787> also something on BDA (bio design automation)
11:33 < kanzure> i don't care as much about the BDA aspect-- it's important but the software people will definitely do things on their own anyway.
11:33 < kanzure> but roadmapping is up my alley.
11:34 < nmz787> you probably should be part of the BDA stuff too... one of the complaints was bio people doing their own thing, instead of dealing with a more generic tool's learning curve
11:38 < rpifan> oh nice
11:38 < rpifan> can yal please make me a new testicle
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11:38 < rpifan> my previous one had cancer
11:41 < kanzure> well you can generate gametes from skin cells these days... so i'm not  sure it's absolutely necessary.
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11:42 < rpifan> to get a new testicle?
11:42 < rpifan> look my only issue with the trasnhumanist is that they want to replace human bodies with machine
11:42 < rpifan> as long we agree to just make new replacement human parts
11:42 < rpifan> were cool
11:42 < rpifan> but once u talk about removing things and putting them in a machine
11:42 < rpifan> im done
11:42 < rpifan> so if u can just make me a few new parts id be happy
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11:54 < cluckj> that's...not exactly what transhumanists want
11:56 < rpifan> well can we make new bio human parts
11:56 < fenn> sort of
11:56 < fenn> someone made a urine bladder
11:56 < rpifan> good
11:57 < rpifan> thats the kind of research iim into
11:57 < rpifan> idieally
11:57 < rpifan> itd be cloned from my cells
11:57 < fenn> there was a 3d printed tooth scaffold that turned into dentin
11:57 < fenn> as far as full size livers and kidneys and so on, not yet
11:58 < rpifan> i emailed the institute of regenative medicine at wake forest
11:58 < fenn> but there have been various tissue cultures of organ tissue with embedded vasculature
11:58 < rpifan> about making me an ew part
11:58 < rpifan> and they said they let me know
11:58 < rpifan> when they start rials
12:00 < fenn> i'm more hopeful for humanized pigs happening any time soon
12:00 < rpifan> i dont see why u cant 3d print something with human cells
12:00 < rpifan> and then let nature take over
12:00 < rpifan> tll fix itself
12:01 < kanzure> why would it be able to fix itself if yours didn't?
12:03 < fenn> because they're stem cells, not regular cells
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12:04 < rpifan> yea
12:06 < fenn> ottlab.mgh.harvard.edu is doing recellularization
12:08 < rpifan> thats exactly what i want
12:08 < rpifan> like wake forest is doing similar thng
12:08 < rpifan> doesnt seem they work with patients tho
12:09 < fenn> wake forest is doign 3d printing, not recellularization
12:10 < rpifan> oh whats the dfference
12:10 < rpifan> im a liberalarts major lol
12:11 < cluckj> that's no excuse!
12:12 < fenn> receullularization starts with a human or pig organ, washes out the cells with detergent, then puts patient derived stem cells back in the rubbery husk
12:13 < fenn> or organ type cells, not necessarily stem cells
12:13 < rpifan> intersting
12:13 < rpifan> which do u think has more promise
12:14 < rpifan> i got a 3d printero n my desk right now
12:14 < nmz787> both are good prospects
12:14 < nmz787> we need all the competition to figure out which methods are best for which applications
12:15 < rpifan> ill be down for phase 2 trials
12:18 < cluckj> same
12:18 < rpifan> tho last time i did phase 2
12:18 < rpifan> i got nerve damage
12:23 < fenn> how?
12:23 < rpifan> they did rTMS
12:23 < fenn> uh, i'm actually surprised you got nerve damage from that
12:24 < rpifan> i did
12:24 < rpifan> t was bad
12:24 < rpifan> it took years and it got better
12:24 < rpifan> but i think there is some brain damage as well
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12:30 < kanzure> fenn brings up an interesting point about dna synthesis beliefs. he suggests that some people are under the mistaken impression that most genetics projects in the future are going to use completely validated parts.
12:30 < kanzure> this belief would explain why so many people seem to be disinterested in dna synthesis
12:30 < fenn> i, err, what?
12:31 < fenn> of course nobody wants your untested DNA compiler output
12:31 < kanzure> (it's broken because where does the validated dna come from? someone has to be working on new 'software'. validated software is of course useful and will be coveted but there's so much custom 'glue' everywhere.)
12:32 < kanzure> alright but my argument is that custom glue (extra dna that someone hasn't worked on yet) is the important missing ingredient. if you can't quickly iterate on new dna fragments then you can't really do engineering.
12:35 < kanzure> personal computing for even boring tasks like document writing requires custom behavior (supported by the software).  the sequence of inputs is programming the computer (in a vague abstract sense). you need lots of dna to even get to that point for biology.
12:38 < kanzure> fenn, it's not untested necessarily. the information is validated but the specific project you're doing might cause it to fail. so you need to be able to rapidly iterate. and waiting for mail order just doesn't work.
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15:32 < rpifan> so what nootropic drugs can i take to fix my brain
15:33 < kanzure> most nootropics aren't that great yet
15:34 < kanzure> there's no "moore's law of nootropics" yet.
15:34 < rpifan> well i know ppl like modafinil
15:34 < rpifan> i can get a legal script for it
15:34 < rpifan> i have narco
15:57 < nmz787> kanzure: well I'd say people with that attitude should be educated or kept from making very-key decisions
15:58 < kanzure> heh
15:59 < rpifan> so tell me what plls to swallow quick before my mind comes back
16:14 < fenn> lion's mane mushroom extract
16:14 < fenn> and eat salmon
16:15 < kanzure> and plenty of fluids
16:23 < rpifan> i drink plenty of fluidy thing
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16:33 < cluckj> yeah remember to hydrate
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17:41 < maaku> .title https://arxiv.org/pdf/1708.04748.pdf
17:41 < yoleaux> maaku: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
17:41 < maaku> "When\ the\ cookie\ meets\ the\ blockchain\:\
17:41 < maaku> Privacy\ risks\ of\ web\ payments\ via\ cryptocurrencies"
17:41 < maaku> ugh.
17:52 < kanzure> "ScienceBeam - using computer vision to extract PDF data" https://elifesciences.org/labs/5b56aff6/sciencebeam-using-computer-vision-to-extract-pdf-data
17:53 < rpifan> well what drugs do i do
18:01 < kanzure> https://www.edisonnation.com/forums/patents/topics/licensing-rights-to-patent-before-patent-is-issued
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18:02 < kanzure> "When you are licensing a product, you are licensing a right to your invention, the rights to any patents/patent applications, etcetera. Because it is not uncommon for a patent application to be rejected due to prior art which was not located pre-application, an issued patent prevents worry. While a prospective licensee will do their own research regardless and should be able to make their ...
18:02 < kanzure> ...own conclusions, an issued patent will relieve them on some level and effect their initial impression which can color research done, brainstorming done, and its interpretation."
18:02 < kanzure> maaku: so people do patent licensing even before a patent is granted. loooool.
18:02 < kanzure> "In some situations you have become the 1,174th person to reinvent the wheel and your patent is little more than symbolic because not much has to be altered to avoid infringing it. But, you have done a lot of work on the engineering side and a licensee benefits from taking the work you have done and simply getting a product to market asap rather than trying to develop their own solution."
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18:04 < maaku> rpifan: all of them, just not at once
18:04 < streety> I've heard of people filing a provisional patent, shopping it around to see if a licensing deal is possible. If it is, the deal includes the licensee paying the filing costs. If not, they just let the provisional patent lapse
18:05 < kanzure> this seems to be before even a provisional patent though O_O
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18:05 < streety> really? Seems flawed
18:06 < streety> You would need some write up to show around. Doesn't seem like much additional work to file for the provisional
18:06 < kanzure> "University technology transfer offices license pending patent applications all the time, and they even require the licensee to pay for future patent prosecution costs.  In the example of universities, companies seek basically an insurance for a small fee."
18:08 < kanzure> hmm you might be right, streety.
18:08 < kanzure> "Since a formal patent is not granted, the inventor may offer discounted royalties to the licensee up until the point of patent grant"
18:14 < kanzure> "... where the patent applicant has useful know-how that is not included in the patent application, the licensee may also pay a royalty to gain access to that know-how. However this is more than just a patent license per se, it’s more a license to use (secret) know how"
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18:16 < kanzure> "You certainly can license a non patentable idea! In fact, when you go to contract in a licensing agreement with only patent pending you should state that if the patent does not issue you still get royalties because you are still giving an idea of value and jump on the market share is generally more important."
18:23 < kanzure> weird stuff.
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18:44 < kanzure> segwit about to activate on bitcoin
18:44 < rpifan> but which one
18:44 < kanzure> segwit
18:50 < ybit> "Advances in design of protein folds and assemblies" https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ajasja_Ljubetic/publication/318373380_Advances_in_design_of_protein_folds_and_assemblies/links/59677975458515e9af9ea4ab/Advances-in-design-of-protein-folds-and-assemblies.pdf
18:51 < kanzure> ybit:
18:51 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/protein-engineering/?C=M;O=D
19:05 < streety> rpifan: I don't think anyone will be able to tell you exactly what would work best for you. There will need to be an element of trial and error. You may find http://diyhpl.us/wiki/nootropics/notes.txt useful as a starting point for further research.
19:05 < rpifan> yea theres a loto f them there tho
19:05 < rpifan> hard to know where to go
19:05 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/900538235956244480
19:05 < yoleaux> I'm the proud sender of the 3rd SegWit transaction ever: https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/c586389e5e4b3acb9d6c8be1c19ae8ab2795397633176f5a6442a261bbdefc3a Thanks everyone who helped us get this far! #SegW00t (@pwuille)
19:19 < kanzure> "Human experts vs. machines in taxa recognition" https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.06899
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20:13 < fenn> rpifan: "lion's mane
20:14 < fenn> increases production of nerve growth factor (NGF) NGF is responsible for determining the rate at which new brain cells are produced
20:14 < fenn> fish oil contains two omega-3 fatty acids: EPA and DHA, which are needed for building nerve cell membranes
20:15 < fenn> salmon is high in EPA and DHA and is usually fresh, unlike fish oil capsules
20:15 < rpifan> can i just eat some fish oil
20:16 < fenn> it's hard to find fresh fish oil
20:16 < fenn> costco is often fresh
20:16 < rpifan> or r the pills ok
20:16 < fenn> unscrupulous manufacturers will wash their rancid fish oil and add deodorizers to disguise the fact that it is bad
20:17 < fenn> liquid fish oil is often easier to tell it's gone bad, whereas you don't really know immediately with the pills
20:17 < rpifan> does it matter?
20:18 < fenn> yes, eating fishy fish oil is worse than doing nothing
20:18 < rpifan> i see
20:18 < fenn> "smells fishy" means it's bad
20:18 < rpifan> well maybe if its from amazon is ok
20:18 < fenn> it should not smell like anything at all
20:18 < rpifan> but its expensive
20:19 < fenn> personally i eat canned salmon which is $3 a can at trader joe's and is like 2 meals worth
20:19 < rpifan> is it really?
20:19 < rpifan> does that end up being cheaper and healther?
20:19 < fenn> i dunno
20:20 < rpifan> what u mena
20:20 < fenn> well i'm not very healthy
20:20 < rpifan> oh
20:21 < fenn> but even if i were i wouldnt know it was due to eating canned salmon
20:21 < fenn> anyway i've never read anything that says it's unhealthy, which is more than i can say for most foods
20:21 < rpifan> ill look nto it
20:21 < rpifan> i go to tj from time to time
20:23 < fenn> tj's smoked herring is also quite tasty $2.29 for 180g ish
20:23 < rpifan> but is it full of fish shit
20:23 < fenn> they are gutted and boneless
20:23 < fenn> the salmon has bones but they're soft
20:24 < rpifan> im not into fish
20:24 < rpifan> but if its cheap
20:24 < fenn> the point is it's a good bioavailable source of fish oil, which you need to eat in order to fix your brain
20:25 < rpifan> yea
20:25 < rpifan> ill look into it
20:26 < kanzure> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/08/wanted-weaponized-exploits-that-hack-phones-will-pay-top-dollar/
20:37 < fenn> you'd expect the companies these exploits are targeting would just buy the exploits themselves
20:38 < rpifan> how does canneds tuff taste anyway
20:39 < fenn> kinda dry and salty. i like to add barbecue sauce
20:40 < fenn> the herring is good as a salad ingredient
20:42 < rpifan> but salt is bad right
20:42 < fenn> no
20:43 < fenn> not enough potassium and too much sodium will raise your blood pressure, but that is fixed by eating more potassium and magnesium
20:44 < fenn> which are found in vegetables
20:44 < rpifan> so fish and veg
20:45 < fenn> your blood pressure is probably fine, just don't drink all the salt water in the can
20:46 < fenn> even if you do it's probably fine
20:46 < rpifan> yea i do plenty of cardio
20:48 < fenn> hmm i guess zerodium can sell the exploit multiple times if they don't sell to the exploitee
20:50 < rpifan> im reading into the canned fish thing
20:50 < rpifan> seems like a good idea
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