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00:22 < adlai> fenn: they've factored plenty of weak keys since then
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00:58 < adlai> see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568800
00:59 < fenn> "debian had 32768 (yes) possible ssh keys per size variant, 2006-2008, because of 'bug' (if you believe the 'accident' i have five or six bridges to sell you)" yes i agree this was sabotage
01:21 < adlai> that one specific line is less what i was linking at. further above it is the massive bunch of keys that got 'phuctored' once alf added the weak factors specifically
01:21 < fenn> that massive bunch of keys were debian boxes that were still using the same keys since 2008
01:21 < adlai> they also have a continuous dribble of phuctorings due to plain old weak entropy (or yet-unknown weakenings)
01:25 < adlai> my favorite is http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7
01:26 < adlai> hint: try finding the 2nd factor
01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now
01:28  * adlai demonstrates
01:29 < adlai> (let ((N <modulus>)) (= N (expt (isqrt N) 2)))  ->  T
01:30 < adlai> the "encryption" software that generated that key (several times!) just took the first prime it hit, then took that same prime again, and called it a day's work
01:30 < fenn> that does nothing?
01:31 < fenn> ok
01:31  * adlai demonstrated with a bit of lisp code that checks whether the number is a perfect square
01:31 < adlai> which it is.
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01:38 < adlai> kanzure: out of curiosity what were you trying to accomplish there? it almost seems as though you thought mircea was interested in sponsoring biotech R&D... i never had you pegged as an optimist
01:45 < fenn> so i guess their channel made a cryptographically secure version control system called "V"
01:46 < fenn> or maybe multiple implementations of it
01:47 < adlai> alf built the initial version, a bunch of copies have been made
01:48 < adlai> he also wrote a description of something much more interesting, if you prefer platonic ideals over working things: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
01:48 < fenn> "This entry was written by Stanislav" is his handle alf?
01:49 < adlai> asciilifeform
01:49 < adlai> 'alf' for short...
01:50 < fenn> that is the same person?
01:50 < fenn> as stanislav
01:51  * adlai believes it is, but hasn't ever met any of them
01:51 < fenn> it is. right, well that's confusing
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01:51 < fenn> i have enjoyed reading loper-os.org
01:51 < adlai> he's actually one of the few who uses a pseudonym on IRC, not that people don't know who he is
01:51 < adlai> few, that is, from that specific circle of people
01:52 < fenn> his name's on the first page of google results (github)
01:52 < adlai> loper-os is great, and i read their logs mostly for his conversations
01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together
01:53 < fenn> i'm glad he's making real software instead of imaginary software
01:53 < fenn> the world needs both
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01:56 < adlai> he's also making real hardware! i actually own a couple of the FG units, and they do work as expected
01:56  * adlai is not qualified to vouch for the electronic / information-theoretic basis
01:57 < fenn> so much for auditability
01:59 < adlai> how do you mean? the qualifications of an operator are orthogonal to the auditability of some device
02:43 < fenn> now that's what i call an ascii bitstream format: http://web.archive.org/web/20040803133639/http://ce.et.tudelft.nl:80/~reinoud/mpga/bitstream/multi_schem.txt
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03:44 < kanzure> uh yes i am definitely an optimist
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04:30 < archels> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
04:30 < archels> stupidly expensive though
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06:38 < kanzure> http://blogs.plos.org/onscienceblogs/2017/05/19/toward-designer-babies-and-creating-human-genomes/
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07:00 < kanzure> ttps://www.technologyreview.com/s/608452/a-new-way-to-reproduce/
07:00 < kanzure> gah
07:00 < kanzure> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608452/a-new-way-to-reproduce/
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08:27 < nmz787> kanzure: I guess I never tried to send something before ? :/
08:28 < kanzure> nah the settings were changed a few months ago
08:28 < kanzure> you had sent an earlier email
08:50 < kanzure> "how was your day?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E
08:52 < nmz787> http://www.unl.edu/ncmn-cfem/xzli/computer-programs
08:52 < nmz787> "Software for Electron Diffraction Simulation and Analysis"
10:13 < nmz787> .tell yashgaroth any magic proteins you know that might fit? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/enzymaticsynthesis/lh6A03gtl90
10:13 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to yashgaroth.
10:42 < kanzure> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dviVC4yEddo
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11:16 < kanzure> "Is genetic drift a force?" http://archive.charlespence.net/papers/2016_Drift_Force.pdf
11:16 < kanzure> "Enhanced biomass production of duckweeds by inoculating a plant growth-promoting bacterium, Acinetobacter calcoaceticus P23, in sterile medium and non-sterile environmental waters" http://wst.iwaponline.com/content/ppiwawst/early/2017/06/05/wst.2017.296.full.pdf
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14:00 < kanzure> https://helix.works/
14:00 < kanzure> 'open molecular storage system' https://openmoss.org/
14:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/Helixworks/helix-dnadrive
14:01 < kanzure> documentation https://openmoss.org/docs/MoSS.pdf
14:05 < kanzure> win 151
14:05 < kanzure> jefj09fjda09f9221410raoda
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14:28 -!- kanzure changed the topic of ##hplusroadmap to: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | as investigated by the fbi weapons of mass destruction division | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church
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15:42 < kanzure> earth computer thing http://www.1010.co.uk/org/sketches.html
16:08 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/sarmsourcetalk/comments/6vnuqd/meta_best_way_to_take_sarms/
16:09 < BingoBoingo> Those are going to be some beefy cacti
16:26 < kanzure> https://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html
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16:59 < kanzure> "An immunogenic personal neoantigen vaccine for patients with melanoma" http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v547/n7662/full/nature22991.html
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17:21 < kanzure> "Effects of dextroamphetamine and odafinil on humor appreciation during sleep deprivation" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6988773_The_Effects_of_Caffeine_Dextroamphetamine_and_Modafinil_on_Humor_Appreciation_During_Sleep_Deprivation
17:21 < kanzure> *modafinil
17:41 < abetusk> https://www.openhumans.org/grants/
17:41 < abetusk> .title
17:42 < yoleaux> Project grants - Open Humans
17:42 < abetusk> $5k grant for a project extending Open Humans
17:43 < kanzure> oh man that's almost enough to pay for someone to write the grant
17:43 < abetusk> heh, yep.  Maybe enough to motivate a student...
17:44 < kanzure> i should offer $6k and then their project will be fucked
17:47 < kanzure> "apparently they reopened another case, back from when peter madsen was 15 years old"
17:57 < jcluck> neat
17:58 < jcluck> nightscout and openaps work with them :D
17:59 < jrayhawk> any citations on the peter madsen thing?
18:08 < kanzure> this specific thing, or the alleged murder and decapitation stuff from a few weeks ago?
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18:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/krim/a/kkwmB/efter-fyndet-i-havet--polisen-tittar-pa-fallet-med-styckad-student
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18:45 < juri_> kanzure: you've heard of keoni gandall?
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18:48 < kanzure> juri_: yes, via nmz787
18:48 < kanzure> nmz787: hey where is the electroporator being sold online. where's the link.
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19:21 < rpifan> so who uses modafinil her
19:21 < rpifan> ehere
19:21 < rpifan> here
19:54 < BingoBoingo> Eh, modafinil is boring https://academic.oup.com/endo/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/en.2015-1479
19:54 < fenn> .title
19:55 < yoleaux> Enobosarm (GTx-024) Modulates Adult Skeletal Muscle Mass Independently of the Androgen Receptor in the Satellite Cell Lineage | Endocrinology | Oxford Academic
19:55 < fenn> seems totally unrelated
19:57 < BingoBoingo> Unrelated to madafinil, related to biohacking. Bigger, stronger, faster... without hoping for reincarnation as a designer baby
20:01 < kanzure> there's also gene therapy techniques that don't require babies
20:01 < BingoBoingo> Is there a good primer?
20:03 < kanzure> BingoBoingo: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/gene-therapy/Delivery%20technologies%20for%20genome%20editing%20-%202017.pdf
20:04 < kanzure> BingoBoingo: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/gene-therapy/Programmable%20genome%20editing%20tools%20and%20their%20regulation%20for%20efficient%20genome%20engineering%20-%202017.pdf
20:04 < BingoBoingo> tyvm
20:04 < kanzure> ya
20:06 < rpifan> well  just got a script for it
20:16 < kanzure> 20:15 <+BingoBoingo> kanzure: So what really is the selling point of hplus if it can't beat Trenbolone?
20:16 < kanzure> it's a fair question. you guys all suck.
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20:34 < fenn> steroids are h+ but apparently nobody is interested
20:35 < kanzure> he means this channel
20:35 < fenn> it's not very recursive
20:45 < fenn> relatedly, yashgaroth is/was working on a myostatin inhibitor
20:45 < yashgaroth> mm
20:45 < yoleaux> 29 Aug 2017 17:13Z <nmz787> yashgaroth: any magic proteins you know that might fit? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/enzymaticsynthesis/lh6A03gtl90
20:45 < yashgaroth> oh yeah I gotta reply to that
20:47 < yashgaroth> ey kanzure do I not have posting permission in that group
20:48 < kanzure> O____O
20:49 < kanzure> yashgaroth: try now
20:51 < yashgaroth> k it's working, thanks
20:52 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bodybuilding/The%20effects%20of%20supraphysiologic%20doses%20of%20testosterone%20on%20muscle%20size%20and%20strength%20in%20normal%20men.pdf
20:52 < kanzure> success! https://groups.google.com/d/msg/enzymaticsynthesis/lh6A03gtl90/OeP8I9wwAQAJ
20:55 < yashgaroth> and I don't think there's an enzyme that reliably does what he's asking, at least that we know of
20:57 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/trenbolone
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21:02 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/6wkty2/pros_cons_of_bnc_at_a_young_age/
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23:21 < fenn> "there is no post cycle therapy plan on earth that can return your natural testosterone levels back to where they were prior to anabolic steroid use."
23:22 < fenn> well why not, is there really a reason for this or just nobody has bothered to research solutions?
23:22 < fenn> it shouldn't be hard to do most of the research on rats or pigs
23:25 < BingoBoingo> Well, so far it seems the excuses fall along the lines of "endocrine is slow and a pain to model"
23:25 < fenn> https://scicasts.com/channels/neuroscience/10678-team-grows-functioning-pituitary-gland-from-human-embryonic-stem-cells/
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23:27 < fenn> a pituitary transplant/implant wouldn't need to be brain surgery
23:29 < BingoBoingo> Sure, just stick the supplemental pituitary somewhere in abdomen, wire blood supply to spleen... Except probably don't want a whole pituitary on autopilot like that. Pituitary seems to depend on CNS input to pick its outputs
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