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01:50 < kanzure> had a dream where aubrey de grey's home was nuked :-(
01:58 < fenn> had a dream i was working in an iridium mine and everyone was getting cancer
01:58 < fenn> WHAT DOES IT MEAN
01:58 < kanzure> it means data is toxic
01:59 < kanzure> OK looks like i will be able to get heath/nmz787 into the dna data storage project according to email from 5 minutes ago
01:59 < kanzure> "Oh fuck really?  hmmm... I think his house is pretty far from an area that would take a direct hit."  you guys don't get it, his house was the target.
02:00 < pasky> how is your speech reco project going?
02:01 < kanzure> struggling to find someone to work on it
02:01 < kanzure> everyone more interested in lofty dna ideas that don't work
02:02 < kanzure> surrounded by delusionals on all 23 sides, send help asp
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02:44 < ebowden> What lofty, unviable DNA ideas?
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06:13 < kanzure> ebowden: they have been discussed
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08:12 < JayDugger> Hm.
08:12 < JayDugger> !new Call of Cthulhu - Delta Green - A Voice from the Wilderness (pyramid article).pdf
08:12 < JayDugger> Shit.
08:24 < fltrz> lol, I just spent a day making a c spanner from scrap steel, in order to fix my bicycle
08:24 < fltrz> its got this old sturmey archer internal gear 3 speed hub
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08:26 < fltrz> most disassembly videos just show how to open it with a light tap from hammer and punch, since that didnt work for me I build the spanner (which otherwise cost ~ $100)
08:27 < fltrz> I finished the spanner and it fits perfectly, and ridiculous long leverage too, however my hub is so tight I now need to reassemble the spokes and wheel in order to get similar leverage on the hub...
08:28 < fltrz> I think the previous owner of the bike was paranoid about it opening up while riding and either glued the threads or used a spanner and a hammer or something unnecessary
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10:18 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f81b9c9a Bryan Bishop: mention adenosine deaminase >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/gene-editing/
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11:10 < heath> that's great news kanzure
11:11 < kanzure> you should figure out what you want your role to be
11:17 < heath> ok
11:17 < heath> nmz787: thanks for the link
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12:14 < nmz787> kanzure: well I did start training the deepspeech network here using the TED data... so in some sense I started working on it
12:28 < kanzure> and fenn poked at it
12:30 < heath> "Chain and conformation stability of solid-state DNA: implications for room temperature storage" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19969539
12:30 < heath> "Indeed, below about 500 bp, DNA fragments underwent a very slow evolution (almost suppressed in the presence of trehalose) which could end in an irreversible denaturation."
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12:44 < kanzure> heath: it would be really helpful if you could make an index of fusion proteins from the literature, especially anything regarding methyltransferases, deaminases, alpha-helice structures, etc.
12:50 < heath> noted. thanks
12:51 < nmz787> good thing 110 C is pretty far outside most operating specs "However, the results in Figure 3 suggested that upon heating at 110°C, some of the small DNA fragments underwent irreversible denaturation."
12:54 < nmz787> I don't have the best feeling about this paper
12:54 < nmz787> something seems a bit funky with their reasoning, or something I don't get at the moment about i
12:54 < nmz787> it
12:54 < nmz787> can't dig in more now
13:02 < nmz787> heath you might also look this up
13:02 < nmz787> .wik solid oxide fuel cell
13:02 < yoleaux> "A solid oxide fuel cell (or SOFC) is an electrochemical conversion device that produces electricity directly from oxidizing a fuel." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_oxide_fuel_cell
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14:08 < mrdata_> a solid fuel as opposed to a liquid one, then i guess
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14:22 < kanzure> grocery store shelf-scanning robot http://www.bossanova.com/
14:30 < kanzure> "Bottled vs canned beer: do they really taste different?" http://www.mdpi.com/2306-5710/2/4/25
14:31 < kanzure> "On the rheology of cats" https://www.drgoulu.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Rheology-of-cats.pdf
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14:59 < nmz787> n=151 and n=29 for the beer thing
14:59 < nmz787> why didn't they do HPLC and ion mass spec?
14:59 < nmz787> err, rather, let's see that paper
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17:03 < kanzure> gene-hacker: yo
17:03 < gene-hacker> hey
17:15 < gene-hacker> I wonder if this trend has continued: https://twitter.com/3d_printers/status/14590427189477376
17:16 < kanzure> .tw
17:16 < yoleaux> Inkjet Moore’s law: Every 18 months Inkjet heads “double in speed; halve in price” #Objet co-owns 3D inkjet tech. http://bit.ly/dTdg3Q (@3d_printers)
17:17 < kanzure> a bunch of people have been telling me that inkjet printhead density capped out a few decades ago because nobody needs higher resolution (for human-consumable print media)
17:24 < gene-hacker> there's still a need for speed
17:24 < gene-hacker> people still want to print spam mail and stuff faster
17:24 < kanzure> fair
17:25 < kanzure> yea i have been looking, and most places don't run nozzles faster than like 50 kHz
17:25 < kanzure> and 1 MHz was tested but "heating"
17:25 < kanzure> so... they haven't discovered the virtues of cooling and heat management..
17:26 < gene-hacker> you can buy 1 MHz piezos
17:26 < gene-hacker> for making fog and humidifying the air
17:26 < kanzure> possibly they limit the firing rate because positional accuracy limitations on moving the surface and/or printhead
17:27 < kanzure> no that doesn't make sense. hmm.
17:27 < gene-hacker> driving electronics then?
17:27 < kanzure> electronics for 1 MHz should be doable...
17:27 < kanzure> where is captain hindsight when you need him
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17:42 < CaptHindsight> printhead overheating?
17:43 < CaptHindsight> let the smoke out?
17:43 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: ^^
17:46 < CaptHindsight> you can only squeeze fluids through an orifice so fast
17:48 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: hi. yes, i am wondering why they don't do cooling.
17:49 < kanzure> gene-hacker: ping
17:50 < gene-hacker> probably because it's difficult to
17:51 < kanzure> just blast liquid nitrogen at it, right? right?
17:51 < CaptHindsight> it depends on what you jetting
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17:52 < CaptHindsight> UV fluids typically use heated heads to lower the fluids viscosity
17:52 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: i'm also wondering about costs for engineering >100k nozzles or something
17:52 < CaptHindsight> 100khz nozzels?
17:52 < kanzure> yes but i meant 100,000 nozzles
17:53 < CaptHindsight> in what area?
17:53 < kanzure> dealer's choice :-)
17:53 < CaptHindsight> 100K linear array, 100 x 1000??
17:53 < kanzure> hmm yeah i would be okay with linear array
17:57 < CaptHindsight> the fastest heads out have ~5k nozzles and fire up to ~60khz, thats around 300 million drops per second
17:57 < kanzure> so.. why 5k? is this an engineering challenge of some kind?
17:58 < CaptHindsight> think about the data bandwidth
17:58 < CaptHindsight> and the power required to fire 5k at once
17:58 < CaptHindsight> so you stitch heads together
17:59 < kanzure> data bandwidth- trivial, this ain't a data center
17:59 < kanzure> power-- trivial, we're not smelting steel
17:59 < CaptHindsight> one can already print with inkjet as fast as an offset press can run
18:04 < CaptHindsight> if the nozzles are binary then your transferring 300m bits per second min into the head
18:05 < kanzure> caching can do this
18:06 < CaptHindsight> you would have much to gain from building some actual hardware
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18:07 < CaptHindsight> firing speeds have little to do with overheating
18:07 < CaptHindsight> in fact it would help in many situations to have extra heat
18:08 < kanzure> sounds like liquid material choices, then?
18:08 < CaptHindsight> the fluid has to match the head and the waveforms used to fire them
18:08 < CaptHindsight> it's a balance of them all
18:09 < CaptHindsight> you want discrete drops without satellites
18:09 < CaptHindsight> and you can only move the heads so fast before air turbulence becomes an issue
18:10 < CaptHindsight> also drop velocity vs distance to the substrate
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18:11 < CaptHindsight> it's like a bomb dropped from a moving plane
18:11 < CaptHindsight> only a liquid vs a solid
18:12 < evilroot> Hmm, this channel seems relevant to my interests :-D
18:13 < CaptHindsight> there are a bunch of patents on MEMS
18:13 < CaptHindsight> printheads
18:13 < kanzure> evilroot: be greeted
18:14 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: are most of the patents expired by now? inkjet is oooold
18:14 < evilroot> kanzure:  thanks
18:15 < CaptHindsight> no, they game the system by overlapping
18:15 < evilroot> Exactly
18:15 < CaptHindsight> plus the mems patents are in the past 10 years
18:15 < evilroot> They patent a new improvement and by doing so keep the whole thing under patent
18:15 < CaptHindsight> https://www.memjet.com/
18:16 < evilroot> Each manufacturer uses slightly different methods
18:17 < CaptHindsight> https://player.vimeo.com/video/231635697  ~70k mems nozzels
18:17 < evilroot> memjet is super nifty
18:17 < evilroot> Can be used for 3d printing too
18:17 < kanzure> "Memjet® printheads pack 70,400 nozzles into a 1,600 dpi device"
18:18 < evilroot> Other tech has higher resolution and more nozzles
18:18 < evilroot> But isn't effective for large scale commercial applications
18:20 < kanzure> evilroot: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/
18:21 < kanzure> evilroot: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/
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18:22 < evilroot> Interesting
18:24 < evilroot> I see issues though, namely that printheads are only made to work with very specific ink formulations
18:24 < evilroot> That's why 3rd party ink can cause damage, even if nearly identical
18:25 < CaptHindsight> damage is generally either solvent incompatibility or particles being too large
18:25 < evilroot> Exactly
18:25 < CaptHindsight> there lots of spooky stories to try and keep people using name brand inks
18:26 < CaptHindsight> you make money on the inks
18:26 < evilroot> Well of course, but I've been fixing printers for 20+ years
18:26 < evilroot> There is actual substance, heh
18:26 < evilroot> The worst was with the Xerox Phaser machines that used solid ink
18:27 < CaptHindsight> Tek heads with wax
18:27 < evilroot> Yep
18:27 < CaptHindsight> I like those
18:27 < evilroot> My gf called them "printer crayons"
18:27 < evilroot> An apt description
18:28 < evilroot> Oh they're great when they work right, but have a lot of downsides
18:28 < CaptHindsight> thats piezo heads in general
18:28 < evilroot> If you ever turned them off it would burn like $40 worth of ink repriming
18:28 < CaptHindsight> you look at them wrong and they act up
18:28 < evilroot> On for too long without printing and the ink would "cook"
18:29 < evilroot> And the earlier models used fricking halogen light bulbs as drum heaters
18:29 < CaptHindsight> as long as they waste ink
18:29 < evilroot> Two of them
18:30 < evilroot> Can't tell you how many times I went to Lowes to buy a $3 bulb to fix a $2k printer
18:30 < evilroot> Retarded design
18:31 < evilroot> Meanwhile a Laserjet 4000 was all but unbreakable.  The fuckers NEVER stop working
18:31 < evilroot> I saw million plus page machines that were still happily churning with no more maintenance than changing the rollers
18:32 < evilroot> Hell I STILL see them
18:32 < evilroot> I think that's why HP started building failure points into later designs
18:32 < evilroot> And used lower quality gears/etc
18:33 < evilroot> Can't make money if the old stuff never breaks
18:35 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: not sure who told you that heat from high speed jetting is a problem
18:38 < kanzure> nobody. just went out looking for papers. didn't see much, one was complaining about heat.
18:40 < CaptHindsight> yeah, heat is not really a problem
18:41 < CaptHindsight> the difficulty with building a small head with lots of high speed nozzles are the patents
18:41 < CaptHindsight> I considered making printheads in China but dd not find suitable partners there
18:42 < kanzure> is it TMSC who would do the mems?
18:43 < kanzure> or smaller facilities..?
18:43 < CaptHindsight> http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm  Taiwan
18:44 < CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_International_Corporation  is in China
18:45 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: the dna data storage stuff is with the semiconductor research corporation https://www.src.org/
18:46 < CaptHindsight> how do you get funded to make anything for them?
18:46 < CaptHindsight> is it run by crazy people?
18:48 < evilroot> Heating can be a problem in certain types of designs
18:48 < evilroot> But not modern ones
18:48 < kanzure> well it seems to be IARPA
18:49 < evilroot> And it only really comes into play with high speed applications like commercial label printers
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18:53 < CaptHindsight> https://www.iarpa.gov/index.php/research-programs/felix
18:54 < CaptHindsight> you mean like custom viruses made with an inkjet and some editing tools?
18:55 < CaptHindsight> dissent suppression via https://www.iarpa.gov/index.php/research-programs/proteos
18:57 < kanzure> they want dna data storage
18:58 < CaptHindsight> it's just to dumb an idea for that application
18:58 < CaptHindsight> data storage on paper boats
18:59 < CaptHindsight> long life balloons
19:00 < CaptHindsight> why chemical storage of data?
19:04 < evilroot> Biological storage of data makes sense
19:04 < CaptHindsight> I usually get asked for proposals for research that is plausible but has some kind of wow factor
19:05 < evilroot> The amount of information that can be stored using nucleic acids is staggering
19:05 < CaptHindsight> those get funded
19:05 < evilroot> And plausible.  Imagine DNA or RNA with a checksum?
19:05 < evilroot> Not currently practical, but certainly plausible
19:05 < CaptHindsight> why? for density? erasability?
19:06 < CaptHindsight> biodegradability
19:06 < evilroot> Heh
19:06 < evilroot> Technically it can be used as rewritable media
19:06 < kanzure> it's very high density
19:06 < CaptHindsight> copper is higher
19:07 < evilroot> Though honestly quantum storage and computing is far more attainable
19:07 < evilroot> CaptHindsight:  high in information storage density?
19:07 < CaptHindsight> yeah and old
19:08 < CaptHindsight> but also like to oxidize
19:09 < CaptHindsight> well thats their story anyway on the DNA
19:10 < CaptHindsight> fast synthesis and editing would be handy for medicine
19:11 < CaptHindsight> if in 50 years if nobody from illness only accidents what would the world be like?
19:11 < CaptHindsight> nobody were to die from
19:15 < CaptHindsight> an actuary the other day mentioned that based on the current population they estimated that people might reach 150 years before the odds of an accident would do them in
19:16 < CaptHindsight> if people would not die from age or illness
19:23 < kanzure> "longevity escape velocity"
19:24 < evilroot> Read the Ringworld series?
19:25 < evilroot> You can essentially live forever if you like, but most people get sick of it and choose not to
19:27 < evilroot> I could also see people taking increasingly dangerous risks and extreme sports and the like to feel "alive" in the absence of fea rof death
19:31 < kanzure> ok
19:32 < kanzure> evilroot: get back to work http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
19:36 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: who is working on decoding all the dark or junk DNA?
19:39 < kanzure> huh? it's not junk-- it's mostly transcriptional regulators
19:41 < CaptHindsight> formerly known as junk  :)
19:41 < CaptHindsight> aka dodo DNA
19:51 < evilroot> kanzure:  interesting reads
19:52 < evilroot> Though a lot has been discredited
19:53 < evilroot> In more recent research, given a better understanding of how intricate cellular structures and biochemistry works
19:53 < evilroot> No Fountain of Youth yet
19:54 < evilroot> And in absence if that how people with actually behave is purely speculation
19:54 < evilroot> I mean who in 2010 could have imagined Donald Trump being POTUS, haha.
19:56 < CaptHindsight> Mike Judge?
19:56 < CaptHindsight> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
19:57 < superkuh> Simpsons writers.
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20:00 < evilroot> haha
20:00 < evilroot> superkuh:  only because they thought it was the funniest and most stupid and impractical idea ever
20:02 < evilroot> Too bad people really are that stupid
20:02 < kanzure> evilroot: we know many of the alleles for exceptional longeity, next step is to deploy it to everyone http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/
20:03 < kanzure> *longevity
20:05 < heath> https://jesuscoin.network/
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20:07 < kanzure> .title https://gizmodo.com/when-hope-runs-out-cancer-patients-are-making-their-ow-1819405332
20:07 < yoleaux> When Hope Runs Out, Cancer Patients Are Making Their Own DIY Immunotherapy Treatments
20:28 < evilroot> Except those are experimental and effects aren't terribly well understood
20:29 < kanzure> sounds like life
20:30 < evilroot> I'm all for hope and cutting edge medicine, germline editing is a really big IF in terms of effects
20:30 < evilroot> Its one thing to help someone that is sick
20:30 < kanzure> "in terms of effects" huh?
20:31 < evilroot> But when you start messing with embryos you don't know what you might be screwing with
20:32 < kanzure> huh? are you a biologist?
20:33 < evilroot> The simplest question is society.  Those who can afford the procedure can have kids that won't get certain diseases
20:33 < CaptHindsight> no but I play one on TV
20:34 < evilroot> Or possibly better cognitive functions.  Longer lives.  Bigger muscles.  The implications grow pretty fast
20:34 < kanzure> "afford the procedure" but you haven't even asked me for my prices
20:34 < kanzure> it's free because it's a plague/virus that infects everyone
20:34 < evilroot> Instead of just being rich, kids from rich families could be "genetically superior"  in a real sense
20:35 < evilroot> kanzure:  just like healthcare should be free?
20:36 < evilroot> Everybody gets sick after all
20:36 < kanzure> yes, viruses work
20:36 < kanzure> if you wanted to freely deploy this to everyone then you would use a virus
20:36 < ebowden> Don't they usually mutate very, very quickly?
20:36 < kanzure> people who complain about costs/price or whatever are also the same people who don't understand biology
20:36  * evilroot is pretty sure kanzure is going to start the Zombie Apocalypse
20:36 < kanzure> dude you have no idea
20:37 < ebowden> I hope he is joking.
20:37 < kanzure> evilroot: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2017-02-03-beacon.pdf#page=15
20:37 < ebowden> I really hope he is joking, deliberately saying something stupid.
20:37 < CaptHindsight> but start with a beach party
20:37 < evilroot> I understand Biology.  Very well, as in multiple Graduate level courses
20:37 < evilroot> OH GOD
20:38 < evilroot> Toxoplasmosa gondii
20:38 < evilroot> YOU REALLY DO WANT ZOMBIES
20:38 < kanzure> over 80% of the human population is infected, relax
20:38 < CaptHindsight> evilroot: have you tried #reprap full of 3d printer con men, it could use some cleaning up
20:38 < evilroot> HENCE ZOMBIES
20:39  * evilroot breathes deeply
20:39 < kanzure> zombie apocalypsii are over-rated... look, if you want to cheaply distribute genetic upgrades to the population, then you use gene therapy, viruses, etc.
20:40 < evilroot> kanzure:  I've read that entire paper now
20:40 < evilroot> You're awesome :-D
20:40 < kanzure> thank you
20:41 < evilroot> Please tell me you submitted that for something
20:41 < evilroot> An assignment, anything
20:41 < kanzure> those were just some slides for a presentation i gave in detroit earlier this year
20:41 < kanzure> no wait.. somewhere in michigan.
20:41 < evilroot> "Bruteforce mutagenesis is pretty great!"
20:41 < evilroot> I started just laughing
20:42 < kanzure> yea that's how we got 50x better enzymes
20:42 < kanzure> very common lab technique
20:42 < evilroot> A very large number!
20:42 < evilroot> So very good!
20:43 < evilroot> Also known as the "bigger hammer approach"
20:43 < kanzure> evilroot: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/diy-human-gene-therapy-with-crispr/
20:44 < evilroot> Whoever wrote that transcript should know about spell check
20:44 < kanzure> i type 200wpm no time for spellcheck
20:45 < evilroot> And grammer.
20:45 < kanzure> who?
20:45  * kanzure wanders off
20:45 < evilroot> Grammar, haha
20:46 < evilroot> Your company is called "The Odin"?
20:51 < evilroot> Ahh, you have a website that sells basic kits and supplies for wanna be DIY biologists
20:53 < evilroot> Classroom level stuff like adding a color to yeast
20:55 < CaptHindsight> Odin is that guy from UofC
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20:56 < evilroot> "UofC"?
20:57 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: what is  Zayner up to?
20:57 < evilroot> University of Conmen?
20:58 < CaptHindsight> he has George Church on his site as an adviser
20:58 < CaptHindsight> he needs a DNA printer on the website
21:00 < evilroot> I doubt Dr. Church would be behind the stuff he showed
21:00 < CaptHindsight> he's on the site
21:01 < evilroot> But he is kind of an odd guy
21:01 < CaptHindsight> http://www.the-odin.com/about-us/
21:01 < evilroot> I saw
21:02 < evilroot> Having been in college listing someone as an "Advisor" means absolutely nothing
21:03 < CaptHindsight> could be intellectual overlord
21:03 < evilroot> I went to a talk he had a Duke
21:03 < CaptHindsight> ale house or university?
21:04 < evilroot> University, heh
21:04 < evilroot> Students tried to ask questions but he just went full politician and never answered anything
21:04 < evilroot> And asked questions to questions
21:06 < evilroot> My mother was a professor and alumni.  I think she wanted to show me how silly academics can be.
21:07 < evilroot> I mean he clearly knew his shit.  Understood the topic.  But then just danced around everything and talked about possibilities and discovery.
21:09 < evilroot> Some people just want to make a name for themselves with ideas and arguments because then they can write articles and get funding
21:09 < evilroot> And never do anything in reality
21:10 < evilroot> Sell snake oil
21:10  * evilroot sighs
21:10 < hazzy> I am afraid that is most of modern academia, it is all about "getting the funding for that one"
21:11 < ebowden> kanzure, does this get a lot of sales? http://www.the-odin.com/the-iliad-project-kit-find-new-antibiotics-at-home/
21:11 < evilroot> heh
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21:14 < kanzure> evilroot: not his duke talk, but here's his berkeley talk http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2017-01-26-george-church/
21:14 < ebowden> kanzure, heard of those little soil bacteria screeners that get put in the ground, so can screen for antibiotics from soil bacteria that won't grow in commercially available growth medium?
21:14 < kanzure> evilroot: i am not sure i would characterize george church as not having done anything in reality (crispr)
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21:15 < kanzure> evilroot: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=SfDzdgEAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao
21:16 < kanzure> ebowden: i do not operate the-odin.com
21:16 < kanzure> that's josiah zayner
21:16 < ebowden> Ah, ok. That guy looks very different to anything I would imagine you looking like.
21:17 < rpifan> hello agian
21:17 < evilroot> Are you saying Church made CRISPR?
21:17 < kanzure> http://www.linklotus.com/quotelotus/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/credible-hulk.jpg
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21:18 < kanzure> evilroot: church lab was heavily involved in the recent crispr litigation, go look for yourself
21:18 < evilroot> Are you saying that litigation is science?
21:18 < rpifan> scientology?
21:18 < kanzure> evilroot: i am saying i have given you a reference.  and yes they cited their work during the litigation. not sure why you think they wouldn't..?
21:18 < ebowden> Kanzure, I love that image.
21:18 < kanzure> the crispr litigation was entirely about who the fuck made crispr
21:19 < kanzure> so how would this be irrelevant to your question?
21:19 < kanzure> argh
21:19 < rpifan> scientology church lab?
21:19  * evilroot chuckles
21:19 < kanzure> it's like the only biggest biology lawsuit in the last 10 years
21:19 < kanzure> aaaaaaaa
21:20 < rpifan> ??
21:21 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/Neuro_Skeptic/status/923676441748889601
21:21 < yoleaux> Lots of comments on my "does high IQ cause illness?" post http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/10/22/intelligence-risk-illness/ Some good ones (@Neuro_Skeptic)
21:21 < rpifan> yes it does
21:21 < kanzure> i don't know if we should care;  low iq but super high memory would be an acceptable outcome.
21:22 < rpifan> i do often wish i wasnt so "smart"
21:22 < rpifan> its a pain in the ass
21:22 < rpifan> and then ppl think ur being presumptious
21:22 < kanzure> you're not smart.
21:22 < CaptHindsight> at least the Chinese are using CRISPER publicly on human cells
21:22 < rpifan> thanks kanzure
21:23 < rpifan> i will treasure ur love and affection
21:23 < kanzure> not saying i'm smart either. just for the record.
21:23 < rpifan> lol
21:23 < rpifan> i think if we are on irc and talking about cripsr
21:23 < rpifan> thats pretty smart
21:23 < ebowden> I suspect the Chinese want to increase their industrial output by rolling out enhancements to everyone.
21:23 < kanzure> that's called cheerleading
21:23 < rpifan> cheerleading?
21:24 < kanzure> ebowden: nah, nobody 'cept us really thinks about free voluntary upgrades
21:24 < CaptHindsight> how do you envision the CRISPER patent ending up?
21:24 < rpifan> but why is there stuff so shit tho
21:24 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: no idea.  MPEG-LA (the guys who own the video patents) are trying to make a crispr patent pool...
21:24 < ebowden> kanzure, I have no idea if the Chinese want these upgrades to be voluntary.
21:24 < CaptHindsight> or will it become obsolete by some other process?
21:24 < CaptHindsight> before the litigation is over
21:24 < kanzure> rpifan: the ability to talk about science news is merely cheerleading; actual projects, actual work, that's totally different.
21:25 < rpifan> maybe idk
21:25 < rpifan> i think this kind of chat is work
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21:25 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: i believe a big milestone in the litigation was recently met.  not sure if an appeal will be successful.
21:25 < rpifan> its useful and spread knowledge
21:25 < rpifan> its like debating philosophy
21:25 < kanzure> one of the rules around here is no philosophy
21:25 < ebowden> "i think this kind of chat is work" lol
21:25 < rpifan> but everything is philosophy
21:25 < rpifan> it is work
21:26 < rpifan> its not idle chatter
21:26 < kanzure> that's just depression
21:26 < CaptHindsight> gimmie a C, gimmie a R, gimmie a I
21:26 < kanzure> "everything is work" is depression talking
21:26 < ebowden> gimme a S, gimme a P, gimme an R
21:26 < rpifan> but work is good
21:26 < rpifan> i mean i dont like to go to work
21:26 < rpifan> but i liek to work
21:26 < CaptHindsight> I'm working on artificial stupidity to take over the world
21:27 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: i mean, the point was that cheerleading should not be encouraged. you can go on reddit and get that.
21:27 < rpifan> its not like a lot of ppl ar eout there injecting themselves iwth dna
21:27 < CaptHindsight> not yet anyway
21:28 < rpifan> maybe not ever
21:28 < CaptHindsight> but like guns if that is what me happy i should be able to do it...
21:28 < rpifan> i mean i was looking at 3d printed braces
21:28 < CaptHindsight> as long as it doesn't encroach on your rights
21:28 < rpifan> my teeth hurt so badly recently cause of the way they are moving and crash on top of each other
21:28 < rpifan> but you obviously cant just go 3d print your own braces
21:28 < rpifan> cause thats not fda approved
21:28 < rpifan> and while i get why its not
21:28 < kanzure> the point is that there are people injecting htemselves
21:28 < rpifan> its a pain in the ass
21:29 < CaptHindsight> it doesn't last, when you get older they wear out and fall out
21:29 < rpifan> teeth?
21:29 < CaptHindsight> yes
21:29 < rpifan> well
21:29 < CaptHindsight> not DNA
21:30 < CaptHindsight> well that to
21:30 < rpifan> if they are taken care of the ycan last a whole life
21:30 < rpifan> but most ppl dont have good acces to dental care
21:30 < rpifan> i live in the MURICA land and i still dont
21:30 < CaptHindsight> uh murica?
21:30 < rpifan> MURICA!!!!
21:30 < ebowden> I have access to excellent dental care.
21:30 < rpifan> you must be rich
21:31 < CaptHindsight> lol
21:31 < CaptHindsight> bbl
21:31 < ebowden> I live in Australia.
21:31 < rpifan> oh
21:31 < rpifan> of course then
21:31 < rpifan> have them fix my teeth
21:31 < rpifan> they hurt
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21:31 < ebowden> Better earn some cash and pay a dentist.
21:32 < rpifan> hard currency
21:32 < rpifan> and u mean buy a dentist
21:32 < hazzy> or get a dremel tool
21:32 < rpifan> at least thats how the american system works
21:32 < rpifan> well they need to straightened
21:32 < rpifan> and cleaned
21:32 < rpifan> not drilled
21:32 < rpifan> i did manage to get that done the drilling
21:34 < kanzure> what actual skills do you have, again? and why should i not ban you. i forget.
21:36 < rpifan> you can ban me if u want to
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21:36 < rpifan> oh no
21:36 < rpifan> the end is neigh
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21:39 < ebowden> rpifan, that I live in Australia isn't the only reason though.
21:39 < ebowden> We go to a private dentist.
21:39 < heath> nmz787: the advisor for the DEVELOPMENT OF NANOFLUIDIC DEVICES FOR
21:39 < heath> SINGLE-MOLECULE DNA DIAGNOSTICS paper
21:40 < heath> DEVELOPMENT OF NANOFLUIDIC DEVICES FOR
21:40 < heath> argh
21:40 < heath> https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Steven+A.+Soper
21:40 < rpifan> ebowden, well still even private doctors can be shit here
21:40 < rpifan> in american land
21:41 < ebowden> They have public doctors for non-veterans?
21:41 < ebowden> Well, also, we have medicare, which pays out to private doctors and destists.
21:41 < ebowden> Even orthodontists.
21:42 < rpifan> yea the us doesnt have orthontist coverage at all
21:42 < ebowden> Hmmm.
21:42 < rpifan> its all out of pocket
21:42 < ebowden> Maybe we did pay for that privately.
21:42 < rpifan> but its also like that in Ecuador
21:42 < ebowden> But the dental is partially covered.
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21:43 < ebowden> Also, there are some drugs not covered by Medicare.
21:43 < rpifan> im currently getting an obamacare insurancep lan
21:43 < rpifan> but its shit
21:43 < rpifan> and i just moved states
21:43 < rpifan> so now i dont have insurance
21:43 < rpifan> but because of the disease i have i will get specific coverage that isnt insurance
21:43 < rpifan> for that disease
21:45 < ebowden> Is Obamacare shit?
21:46 < rpifan> mostly
21:46 < rpifan> its complicated
21:46 < rpifan> because there is a lot of opposition
21:46 < rpifan> and so it was ham stringed from the beginning
21:46 < rpifan> and now trump is making it fall apart much worse
22:15 < Aurelius> Man, I see 'rpifan' and think of my alma mater.
22:15 < rpifan> marcus?
22:16 < Aurelius> I'm a fan of him in a few ways
22:16 < rpifan> funny how marcus is often a black name
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23:15 < CaptHindsight> rpifan: I used to think that the Chinese were out of touch being kept behind the Great Firewall....
23:16 < CaptHindsight> but it's more amazing to me seeing how in the USA a barrier to facts and reality is not required anymore ...
23:17 < CaptHindsight> they block out things on their own.
23:18 < rpifan> its a sad world we live in
23:18 < rpifan> but then again
23:18 < rpifan> if u arent trained in finding info
23:19 < rpifan> how do u know how to look
23:19 < CaptHindsight> or having that impulse discourage from age 5 and up
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23:20 < rpifan> yea thats true
23:20 < rpifan> and thats where i sorta agree iwth a lot of the ancap and libertarians
23:20 < rpifan> about education
23:22 < CaptHindsight> http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ he's done a pretty good job of explaining what's happened in US public schools
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23:23 < CaptHindsight> I found it to be worse than what he describes
23:23 < rpifan> tl;dr?
23:26 < CaptHindsight> ex NY teacher pf the year
23:26 < rpifan> whats he say tho
23:26 < CaptHindsight> wrote several books on the school system
23:26 < rpifan> also ny edcuation for me is one of the worst
23:27 < rpifan> its so limited
23:27 < CaptHindsight> and how he underminded it from within
23:27 < CaptHindsight> worth a look if you are interested
23:28 < rpifan> ive got so much to read
23:28 < rpifan> im almost done with the jungle by upton sinclair
23:28 < rpifan> great book
23:28 < rpifan> really engaging
23:29 < CaptHindsight> yeah, no surprise to me why we have a fearless leader that's an arrogant moron
23:29 < CaptHindsight> also see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/  Idiocracy (2006)
23:30 < rpifan> ive seen that movie
23:30 < rpifan> it was sad
23:30 < rpifan> really sad
23:30 < CaptHindsight> and funny
23:30 < CaptHindsight> but yes
23:30 < CaptHindsight> sad
23:30 < rpifan> i found it sad
23:30 < rpifan> im too much of a deep thinker sometimes
23:30 < CaptHindsight> Reality Bites
23:31 < rpifan> and yet theres where we are headed
23:31 < CaptHindsight> not everyone but it's good for the king
23:32 < CaptHindsight> since as Mel Brooks stated " It's good to be the king"
23:33 < rpifan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles
23:33 < CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJS51d1Fzg   it's GOOD to be the KING
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23:37 < rpifan> except u could always get cut off
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