--- Log opened Sun Nov 12 00:00:13 2017 00:05 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-172-162-202.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49 -!- aeiousom1thing [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:51 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:27 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:39 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:53 -!- 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[uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlhqbtdljkcbliqj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:15 < kanzure> .title https://z.cash.foundation/blog/powers-of-tau/ 08:15 < yoleaux> Announcing the world's largest multi-party computation ceremony – The Zcash Foundation 08:35 <@fenn> adlai: i thought you were calculating the earth's carrying capacity, not the solar system 08:36 <@fenn> and if so, i'd expect the answer to also have a duration attached, like "for 1 million years" or "for 1 billion years" 08:45 < kanzure> gp-write still looking at twist bioscience as the synthesis provider of choice... instead of planning capacity and techniques for 5 or 10 years out. hm. 08:45 < kanzure> (according to some notes that were shared a few minutes ago) 08:49 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-172-162-202.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:07 < kanzure> lightning network implementation integration test result page tracker thing https://cdecker.github.io/lightning-integration/ 09:26 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:34 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:05 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@110.141.11.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02 < kanzure> hm 12:04 -!- ebowden 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but it seems relevant 14:00 <@fenn> .title http://youtu.be/iGcRV6ViVsM 14:00 < yoleaux> DERANGED KIDS VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE - THE FINGER FAMILY APOCALYPSE - YouTube 14:01 <@fenn> i'd like to see more projections about how this goes in the future, "our culture becomes fragmented" just doesn't sound very scary 14:02 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 < CaptHindsight> https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.7.031005 14:10 < CaptHindsight> Rotation-Induced Macromolecular Spooling of DNA 14:11 < CaptHindsight> aka Using the Spaghetti-Twist to Align DNA 14:13 < kanzure> hm. 14:27 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzwjmxubkvkwprqm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: what printhead type thing should I buy to get started on nano/pico deposition? 14:28 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: of enzymes and stuff, things I wouldn't want to get too hot 14:30 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: a big challenge I am seeing with micro/nano fluidics devices has now moved to how to actually load such a device (with reagents) after you build it 14:31 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: load and then use, or load then seal (for a closed system) 14:36 < darsie> nmz787: Do you want to print with individual atoms? 14:37 < nmz787> darsie: no, just onto a microsized funnel on something like an integrated circuit wafer/die 14:37 < darsie> Van der Waals radius of oxygen is 152 pm. 14:38 < darsie> Covalent radius 66±2 pm 14:43 < nmz787> darsie: I meant nanoliter/picoliter 14:43 < nmz787> trillions+ molecules 14:44 < darsie> ic 14:44 < nmz787> gazillions probably 14:46 < darsie> A pl water is 3E-13 molecules. 14:46 < darsie> 33 trillion 14:46 < darsie> +13 14:46 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 < darsie> That changes a bit if your molecule is a polymer. 14:50 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:01 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:04 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 < heath> "Microbes and Alzheimer’s Disease" https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-disease/jad160152 16:52 < heath> linked from https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4VzQXSctk5EJ:https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-identify-a-virus-and-two-types-of-bacteria-that-could-be-linked-to-alzheimer-s+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk 17:07 < adlai> so many papers, so little time. alzheimer's only recourse is to rhyme? 17:08 < adlai> at the very least i don't pretend to memorize the curvature of euclidean space or somesuch wankery 17:15 < kanzure> so little time unless you make the time, that's the only way this works 17:17 < adlai> i wanted to ask you, kanzure, what you made of that one paper you linked the other day, about the zip fenomenon 17:17 < kanzure> was that me? 17:17 < adlai> but i'm so worried taht hypochondria are incurable, that i forgot which log file it was linked from 17:18 < adlai> somewhere between yesterday and the p2p ecash bullshit 17:18 < kanzure> 10:39 < kanzure> "Sharding PoW-based Blockchains via Proofs of Knowledge" https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/1067 17:18 < kanzure> ? 17:18 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@e-nat-mobility-0-127.uniaccess.unimelb.edu.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 * adlai shakes head without even opening eyes 17:20 <@fenn> describe zip fenomenon 17:31 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-172-162-202.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:52 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: fab your own MEMS nozzle 17:55 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: if you want ann off the shelf printhead and to avoid heat then use a piezo type vs thermal 17:55 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 < CaptHindsight> somebody posted something here recently about piezo heads getting too hot or something when fired, which is not true 17:57 < CaptHindsight> they have to intergrate heaters in order to heat the fluids used 17:58 < CaptHindsight> none of the piezi vendors publish specs on interfaces, mechanical, thermal, etc 17:59 < CaptHindsight> it's all under NDA 17:59 < CaptHindsight> in fact i just renewed an NDA with a vendor and they are such control freaks that they only sent me marketing sheets vs full tech manuals 18:01 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35 < kanzure> something about pumping liquids around into the printheads 19:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:04 < CaptHindsight> unless it was something like a fuel injector, high pressure + valve 19:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- MrHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21 -!- MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight 20:22 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:26 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Ping 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the problem is how will you drive the printhead 23:04 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: ^^ 23:05 < CaptHindsight> there are no open specs 23:08 < CaptHindsight> buy a piezo printer and reverse engineer the controls 23:09 < CaptHindsight> look for one with the drop size you'd prefer 23:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:41 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:49 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Mon Nov 13 00:00:13 2017