--- Log opened Sat Nov 25 00:00:25 2017 00:27 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:18 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-141-229.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:36 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-141-229.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:27 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@symset.filection.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:55 < ebowden_> http://www.mdpi.com/2072-666X/4/2/206/pdf 03:57 < ebowden_> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169433216322589 03:58 < ebowden_> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924013614003240 03:59 < ebowden_> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/asp/jnn/2016/00000016/00000009/art00103 04:00 < ebowden_> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.827.8659&rep=rep1&type=pdf 04:02 < ebowden_> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435220/pdf/sensors-15-06091.pdf 04:05 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-141-229.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:20 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:26 < kanzure> what are those? 04:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:25 -!- traumschule [~traumschu@mehl.schokokeks.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25 < heath> su-8 photoresist stuff 05:46 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:54 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@110.141.92.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:59 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:00 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:16 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:18 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:48 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- Gurkenglas_ is now known as Gurkenglas 08:21 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:48 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:52 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@2a01:c50e:8821:4200:2437:bb02:2dfb:8a70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:11 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 09:12 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:30 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hanley_(microbiologist) 09:37 < kanzure> "Hanley said that the treatment has helped him.[16] Reddit-Capsule results: Testosterone up 20% with a peak increase of 77% . White blood counts up 16% with a peak of 40%. Lipid profile improved: HDLs up to 76, a rise of 20%. LDL down 20%. Triglycerides down 50%, with a low being down 60%. Healing time is much faster. Pulse rate appears to have dropped by 10 beats per minute or more.[12] [18]" 09:37 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/5qgvif/science_ama_series_hi_reddit_im_brian_hanley_phd/ 09:54 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 -!- traumschule [~traumschu@mehl.schokokeks.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 < nmz787> kanzure: treatmen? 11:20 < kanzure> hm? 11:20 < gradstudentbot> My labview crashed. 11:21 < kanzure> .title https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2017-November/000804.html 11:21 < yoleaux> [Lightning-dev] General question on routing difficulties 11:22 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:34 < maaku> I could use that treatment, whatever it is 11:38 < kanzure> fenn: i think it should be easy enough to generate images in the style of "the machinery of life" by loading up pdb and doing cell shading on the objects. and then you can request a few highlighted objects in a soup to get a specific image or view. 11:41 < nmz787> kanzure: what 'treatment' was being discussed on reddit? 11:42 < heath> nmz787: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603217/one-mans-quest-to-hack-his-own-genes/ 11:43 < heath> results: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/5qgvif/science_ama_series_hi_reddit_im_brian_hanley_phd/dczwckl/ 11:43 < nmz787> "Hanley, who drives a battered sedan humming with Hindu rave music, " 11:43 < nmz787> still haven't figured out what he's trying to treat 11:44 < nmz787> hmm, he's using electroporation 11:45 < kanzure> nmz787: recent background http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2017-November/020889.html 11:46 < gradstudentbot> Don't mess with me, I'm a world pipetting champion 14 years running. 11:46 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oU4D97mOFE 11:47 < nmz787> I still don't know what the guy is trying to treat... HIV? 11:47 < nmz787> I mean, I can't tell if he's got/had HIV 11:47 < nmz787> kanzure: I read that yesterday and said "we should design a fix for knee-jerk reactions" or something like that 11:48 < nmz787> .title 11:48 < yoleaux> 5000! - YouTube 12:10 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59 < heath> http://mishadoff.com/blog/clojure-design-patterns/#cheatsheet 13:03 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@symset.filection.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:12 < nmz787> those photoresist papers are kinda goofy... I get that the organomettalic solution paper (2nd link) probably wants to keep their stuff a trade secret... but even so, the linewidth they claim is so much better than optical is 1 micron, while optical is being used for the latest-gen processes (EUV and interference photomasks) 13:13 < nmz787> the 3rd link has 'low-cost' as the first word in the title... then in the abstract makes it apparently a lie, when they say they use an excimer laser 13:13 < nmz787> not to mention ablating nitrocellulose sounds like it will end up in fire/explosion during a bad day of experiments 13:17 < nmz787> 4th link looks interesting... but sci-hub shows they got banned from the proxy 13:28 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- TC is now known as Guest81187 13:30 < nmz787> .tell ebowden that second-to-last paper (SU-8 wih UV exposure) is pretty much what I've got planned, except I mean to replace a photomask with a CNC gantry moving a blu-ray laser optical sled around... 13:30 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to ebowden. 13:32 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:39 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- rmcl [44067199@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.6.113.153] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- rmcl [44067199@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.6.113.153] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:04 < nmz787> hi ebowden 14:04 * nmz787 leaves for a bit 14:16 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52 < kanzure> "do multi dimensional graph advertising complex traits and charge people to find each other for sex or germ cells" 14:52 < kanzure> s/advertising/across 15:32 < kanzure> fitvitalik ICO doesn't seem to be going so well https://fitvitalik.io/ 15:46 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@2a01:c50e:8821:4200:2437:bb02:2dfb:8a70] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:52 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15777702 15:52 < yoleaux> A Callout: Parts for an Iron Lung | Hacker News 15:52 < kanzure> https://hackaday.com/2017/11/25/a-callout-parts-for-an-iron-lung/ 15:52 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/933619850806620167 15:54 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15775873 15:54 < yoleaux> Segwit2x Bugs Explained | Hacker News 16:19 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:30 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-107.itcanada.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:30 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-107.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 < nmz787> ebowden: did you get my replies? 17:35 < ebowden> I got you saying hi and leaving. 17:35 < yoleaux> 25 Nov 2017 21:30Z ebowden: that second-to-last paper (SU-8 wih UV exposure) is pretty much what I've got planned, except I mean to replace a photomask with a CNC gantry moving a blu-ray laser optical sled around... 17:36 < ebowden> Huh, I could have sworn it was on how to make a photomask. 17:37 < ebowden> Didn't know the photomask needed to be made with another photomask. 17:39 < nmz787> yeah wasn't that paper using a laserprinter on overhead transparency paper? 17:39 < nmz787> in industry high-quality photomasks are usually done with e-beam lithography 17:43 < ebowden> Why is e-beam lithography so expensive? 17:44 < nmz787> e-beams aren't cheap to understand, build, run, maintain 17:44 < nmz787> also, supply and demand 17:45 < nmz787> and since they aren't usually used 'for fun'... they are priced based on their capacity to do industrial work (i.e. the manufacturers know the device will make a lot of money for the owner... so they don't price them cheap) 17:47 < ebowden> Is there anything else that can get photomasks with as tiny feature sizes as e-beam lithography can? 17:53 < nmz787> FIB 17:53 < nmz787> .wik fib 17:53 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: Fib" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fib 17:53 < nmz787> .wik focused ion beam 17:53 < yoleaux> "Focused ion beam, also known as FIB, is a technique used particularly in the semiconductor industry, materials science and increasingly in the biological field for site-specific analysis, deposition, and ablation of materials. A FIB setup is a scientific instrument that resembles a scanning electron microscope (SEM)." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focused_ion_beam 17:53 < nmz787> .wik ion beam lithography 17:53 < yoleaux> "Ion beam lithography is the practice of scanning a focused beam of ions in a patterned fashion across a surface in order to create very small structures such as integrated circuits or other nanostructures." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_beam_lithography 17:59 < JayDugger> Not much of a DBZ fan for #bitcoin vegeta day. Can't help. 18:00 < ebowden> Is that cheaper nmz787? 18:01 < kanzure> JayDugger: you're gonna miss out 18:01 < ebowden> (Cheaper than electron beam lithography.) 18:01 < JayDugger> I'll console myself with even older anime. 18:02 < nmz787> ebowden: no probably more expensive 18:03 < ebowden> lol 18:03 < nmz787> I think the only anime I like is Speed Racer 18:03 < ebowden> It SOUNDS more expensive. 18:04 < nmz787> FWIW I have both a FIB and SEM... but they are enough work that I haven't actually got either up and running (the FIB was supposed to be in factory calibration condition when I got it) 18:04 < ebowden> nmz787, is it any better than e-beam for tiny feature size? 18:05 < nmz787> I don't think so 18:05 < nmz787> for the best resolution, I think STEM is used (scanning tunneling electron microscope) 18:05 < nmz787> err 18:05 < nmz787> not tunnelling, transmission 18:06 < ebowden> If it's more expensive and no better, what is its use? 18:07 < nmz787> umm, I can't remember... probably has to do with chemical compatibilities or something 18:07 < nmz787> materials science stuff 18:08 < nmz787> different mechanism of action too, so there are probably some application specific reasons 18:09 < ebowden> Damn, I wonder how far off cheap, tiny feature size photomasks fabrication is. 18:12 < ebowden> nmz787, ^ 18:51 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52 < nmz787> idk, I got my SEM for $200... it didn't work 100% and also was probably not in the center of the normal distribution for used SEM prices 18:57 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:28 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:30 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@2605:2700:0:5::4713:952b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@2605:2700:0:5::4713:952b] has quit [Changing host] 19:30 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 < ebowden_> Ah. 19:32 < ebowden_> But you've never got it to work? 19:49 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:21 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:50 < kanzure> bleep bloop 20:50 < kanzure> internet's about to break 20:56 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:02 < kanzure> there we go 21:21 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:21 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@2001:8003:1074:bc00:5bf:e7d7:2984:15b4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:20 < Douhet> https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/others/sci-tech/my-body-my-genes/articleshow/61731797.cms 22:20 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-141-229.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:59 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:12 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Nov 26 00:00:26 2017