--- Log opened Sun Dec 10 00:00:39 2017 00:29 < nmz787> mrdata: sooo, then you have some smartwatch that watches it for you, then injects saline solution 00:30 < mrdata> so much effort 00:31 < nmz787> hehe, just have a designated waterboy 00:42 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uthodmdkrdisjkqt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-89-117.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 < kanzure> hm. 02:00 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:29 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:57 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has quit [Quit: Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui] 02:58 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:12 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:19 < eb3c90> I decided to Pivot on the arch I am working on https:///offpistearchitecture.wordpress.com 04:19 < yoleaux> 7 Dec 2017 23:45Z eb3c90: even charitably they are not so much interested in building AGI as building an intelligent agent that is slaved to its owners. ironically that means their prefered architectures for analysis are more scary than the biologically-inspired stuff that is actually likely to be built 04:24 < eb3c90> maaku: I've no beef with intelligence augmentation version of AI, as long as it is well distrubuted through humanity. I don't think deep learning is quite on the right path, for AGI, although it is great at what it does 04:42 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-89-117.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:52 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 < pasky_> maaku: i realize deploying the LN isn't a centralized effort, but people must have some expectations about when it gets to stable release and widespread usage? 06:17 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@vdsl-62.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:41 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-89-117.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- eb3c90 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##hplusroadmap 11:53 < andytoshi> does anyone know a good physical chemistry book for somebody with a solid physics and math background? 11:53 < andytoshi> i have clayden's Organic Chem but it assumes more familiarity with orbitals than i have 12:17 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 < kanzure> andytoshi: i have a lot of dead tree format chemistry books. take them from me. 12:19 < andytoshi> kanzure: sure, i can do that 12:20 -!- rpifan_ [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36 -!- rpifan_ [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qprabdictydnhypc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:59 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 < adlai> why would they ask people to configure custom scihub DNS servers, when they could just give out IPs 14:07 < adlai> (for scihub itself, that is) 14:07 < adlai> andytoshi: are you looking for theory or practice? the labs around here swear by Vogel 14:09 < andytoshi> adlai: theory. in my part of the world i can't really practice chemistry without getting DEA attention 14:10 < nmz787> andytoshi: Texas? 14:10 < adlai> Earth. 14:11 < nmz787> DEA is a U.S. entity 14:11 < andytoshi> lol 14:11 < andytoshi> but yes, texas 14:11 < nmz787> and I only know of Texas being a pain to order even glassware 14:11 < adlai> iirc DEA has been involved in most/all of the busts of large labs (ketamine in india, mdma in belgium, etc) 14:12 < adlai> nobody has told the US that it has borders, so it keeps on sovereigning along the way it likes to 14:12 < nmz787> yeah but probably indirectly... as in they provided intelligence and threatened political sanctions or something 14:13 < adlai> joking aside, there's tons of chemistry that shouldn't interest the DEA even if they do come knocking 14:13 < nmz787> plenty of meth still being cooked and sold... and anyway, businesses that perform chemistry are all over the place, so it isn't really too impossible to be a 'chem startup' 14:14 < adlai> limiting yourself to physical is a good start. avoid nitro groups and you're pretty much golden. oh and also don't try rebasing the currency! :P 14:15 < adlai> perfume is an industry of neverending entrepeneurial chemistry, and i hear "molecular cooking" is all the rage too 14:16 < adlai> but these will certainly get you a friendly DEA visit if you start messing with whatever happens to be on that month/decade's precursor watchlists 14:16 < nmz787> my interpretation of the landscape is that you need to worry about reactionary measures... i.e. you were doing chemistry in a neighborhood that was unzoned, etc... mostly the zoning comes down to commercial activities, but in residential areas you then get hit with failure to be responsible (i.e. playing with explosives near the property line where some neighbors house is) 14:17 < nmz787> (aside from as adlai said, listed precursoes, etc) 14:18 < nmz787> around here, it's for example, illegal to extract cannabis in your home even though you're allowed to posses a lot of it 14:18 < nmz787> good reason too, really... several home explosions have occurred due to usage of butane for solvent 14:18 < adlai> iirc the straw that broke the camel's back in Shulgin's case (taking him from having a DEA license to do ~anything, to getting raided and license revoked), was that he published a book which specifically circumvented the designated precursors 14:19 < nmz787> explosives have a steep enough learning curve that they want practitioners sufficiently padded from other houses/buildings 14:19 < adlai> two books, that is. 14:21 < nmz787> we could always form a commune away from people, with sufficient property line buffer 14:21 < adlai> again, there's plenty of fascinating chemistry that will get any DEA agent wasting your time yelled at by his supervisor for wasting his own time 14:23 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:23 < adlai> http://chemistry.tau.ac.il/markovich/index.php/research#A2 14:24 < nmz787> they've got a war to worry about, more than the DEA 14:26 < adlai> https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.10122 14:27 < adlai> "unfortunately" most of the interesting practical research i've encountered does fall under the possible nosyness of a bored DEAgent 14:27 < kanzure> .title 14:27 < yoleaux> [1706.10122] Particle trapping and conveying using an optical Archimedes' screw 14:28 < nmz787> adlai: you'd also have to have some sort of weird pattern of behavior that implies you're selling drugs, weird money transfers, etc 14:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < nmz787> it's good to be cautious though, for sure 14:29 < nmz787> but I've worried about that stuff more years and years... and the drug lords are still winning... so I kinda think they've got their hands full (or on the other hand, are so swamped and lacking in obvious progress, that they'd be looking for someone to point the finger at to claim "success") 14:30 < nmz787> adlai: I've also had contact with the FBI... so I hope they've already got close enough tabs on me to know not to bother 14:31 < adlai> "the drug lords" are symbiotic with the DEA. as always, wars are won by warlords, as long as they keep waging along. 14:31 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43 -!- Gurkenglas 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It was discovered by Robert Weryk using the Pan-STARRS telescope on 19 October 2017, 40 days after it passed its closest point to the Sun." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua 16:04 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-52.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:56 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:59 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qprabdictydnhypc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:22 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest16179 17:33 -!- Guest16179 [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 17:35 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-52.itcanada.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:58 < maaku> pasky_: LN is stable, the protocol is frozen, and there are 3 different interoperable implementations 17:59 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:59 < maaku> there are only two things holding back "widespread usage" : people actually running nodes, and by extension infrastructure with good UX and/or integration into existing tools 18:00 < maaku> the latter isn't really a reasonable thing to push on the LN teams ... the protocol is written and complete. go forth and use it. the protocol devs are going to keep twiddling things and making it more efficient with future extensions, but it's kinda on the ecosystem to adopt it 18:03 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-91.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:46 -!- aidan [~aidan@198-84-217-218.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:46 < aidan> hello! 19:11 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:21 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:37 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < kanzure> hrmph 19:58 < nmz787> bad dump 19:59 < nmz787> I mean, bah dump 20:18 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:20 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20:20 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 20:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 < nmz787> https://journals.aps.org/prx/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevX.7.041039 20:52 < nmz787> .title 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. 20:52 < nmz787> "Inertioelastic Flow Instability at a Stagnation Point" 20:52 < nmz787> "the state-of-the-art “LightFab” 3D printer (LightFab GmbH, Germany), which utilizes the technique of selective laser-induced etching [58]. Laser writing is performed in bulk fused silica followed by chemical etching in KOH (at 80 °C, in an ultrasonic bath). The laser-modified glass is etched at a rate of 100 μm=h, which is 1000 times faster than the etching rate of the unmodified glass" 21:32 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46 -!- mindsForge [~nak@75-171-23-2.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:38 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:50 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uthodmdkrdisjkqt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:55 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@207-244-191-189-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Dec 11 00:00:40 2017