--- Log opened Thu Jan 11 00:00:09 2018
00:00 < jrayhawk> I'm going to be rebooting gnusha tomorrow evening; irssi users may want to /addallchannels; /layout save; /save
00:02 < jrayhawk> and/or set up a cronjob equivalent to @reboot bash -c '/bin/rm -f $HOME/irssi.dtach; export TERM=xterm; /usr/bin/dtach -n $HOME/irssi.dtach /usr/bin/irssi-i-understand-i-need-to-cloak'
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02:08 < fltrz> nmz787: neat!
03:38 < ebowden> nmz797, is there any genuine IVF service in the world that actually has the capacity to screen for intelligence?
03:39 < ebowden> There are a hell of a lot of genes involved.
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06:27 < kanzure> .title http://neurocritic.blogspot.nl/2014/05/does-gamma-tacs-really-induce-lucid.html
06:27 < yoleaux> The Neurocritic: Does Gamma tACS Really Induce Lucid Dreaming?
06:27 < kanzure> "Testing the involvement of the prefrontal cortex in lucid dreaming: A tDCS study" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810013001098
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08:58 < JayDugger> My experience with that was the tACS induced phosphene flashes which cued a lucid dream.
08:59 < JayDugger> Though it was hard to keep electrodes on while sleeping.
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09:22 < nmz787> jrayhawk: thanks for the tips, just applied both
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10:26 < kanzure> "older paper by Hinton discussing reducing larger models to smaller ones thru distillation (techniques used in transfer learning)"  https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.02531
10:26 < kanzure> .title
10:26 < yoleaux> [1503.02531] Distilling the Knowledge in a Neural Network
10:26 < kanzure> "elastic weight consolidation paper on multi-task learning" https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.00796
10:26 < kanzure> .title
10:26 < yoleaux> [1612.00796] Overcoming catastrophic forgetting in neural networks
10:26 < kanzure> "Hinton's obsession with capsules" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.09829.pdf
10:26 < kanzure> .title
10:27 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
10:27 < kanzure> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.09829
10:27 < yoleaux> [1710.09829] Dynamic Routing Between Capsules
10:27 < kanzure> .wik spectral theory
10:27 < yoleaux> "In mathematics, spectral theory is an inclusive term for theories extending the eigenvector and eigenvalue theory of a single square matrix to a much broader theory of the structure of operators in a variety of mathematical spaces." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_theory
10:28 < kanzure> "a convolutional neural network is a composition of a convenient operator (the glasses) and a vanilla feed-forward neural network, because the spectral theorem links the convenient (glasses) operator to the symmetry of the problem (in this case, translational symmetry) - because that's why CNNs work well"
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11:05 < jrayhawk>  /alias ADDALLCHANNELS script exec foreach my $$channel (Irssi::channels()) { Irssi::command("channel add -auto $$channel->{name} $$channel->{server}->{tag} $$channel->{key}") }
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11:19 < kanzure> donkey shames
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11:46 < kanzure> https://blog.ycombinator.com/yc-bio/ but they want healthspan/anti-aging proposals only
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11:47 <@fenn> $120k for 7% is the standard deal? jeez that seems rather rapacious
11:48 < kanzure> it's standard for ycombinator, but otherwise not standard
11:49 <@fenn> i'm sure someone is going to tell me that's a generous offer
11:49 <@fenn> "you should be glad to have 1% of your company, capitalist pigdog!"
11:49 < kanzure> no soup for you!
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11:49 < kanzure> come back 1 year
11:50 <@fenn> i looked up what the plasma magnet sail inventor john slough has been doing the past ten years, and he's got a fusion energy startup called helion energy
11:51 <@fenn> helion claims their fusion engine produces 8 times the input energy and runs on deuterium fusion
11:51 <@fenn> it's unclear if they've actually achieved that or it's just a theoretical prediction
11:51 <@fenn> anyway it's a surprisingly good excuse for why he hasn't been working on the plasma magnet sail
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13:16 < kanzure> "She and her lab are going about it by inserting the SRY gene, which is usually found on the Y chromosome, on the X chromosome, Tech Review says. In mammals, that gene, also called testis-determining factor, can make an animal physically male, even without a Y chromosome, it adds. So far, Tech Review reports that Van Eenennaam and her team have been able to add SRY to an X chromosome in male ...
13:16 < kanzure> ...skin cells, and that they next have to tackle doing that in a cattle embryo or cloning that altered skin cell. Any males made in this way are expected to be sterile, it notes."
13:16 < kanzure> "More interesting would be to do the same to Birds to get female-only laying hens, and perhaps spare 50% of chicks from immediate murder for being born the wrong sex."
13:16 < kanzure> welp the chinese would like this
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13:23 <@fenn> don't they want males to carry on the family line?
13:23 <@fenn> hard to do if you're sterile
13:24 <@fenn> selecting male embryos sounds easier and less risky
13:30 < kanzure> you can carry the family line with IVF
13:30 < kanzure> and uh.. stem cells.. and uh.. something.
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14:52 < CaptHindsight> https://pxhere.com/en/photo/674285  going to try PCR in tubes like these
14:53 < CaptHindsight> not balloons
14:53 < CaptHindsight> have get them custom made
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14:53 < kanzure> take pictures of your gels
14:54 < CaptHindsight> few mm dia with walls just strong enough to hold up to handling
14:54 < CaptHindsight> maybe 25um wall in LDPE
14:55 < CaptHindsight> needs a holder shaped like a cone
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15:03 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: nothing exciting there
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15:07 < kanzure> that's how we there get our datums about PCR results
15:10 < CaptHindsight> bag-o-water as a tube
15:10 < CaptHindsight> disposable one time use
15:11 < CaptHindsight> easy to till and empty
15:11 < CaptHindsight> max surface area
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15:33 < CaptHindsight> coiled around a support like these http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/z/dFgAAOSwEK9UACbT/$_35.JPG
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16:01 <@fenn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCjIaCBldY ULA delta IV launch
16:01 <@fenn> 4 minutes to launch
16:03 <@fenn> people in LA might be able to look out the window and see it
16:06 <@fenn> nevermind, launch hold
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16:43 < CaptHindsight> launch scrubbed
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16:51 < juri_> kanzure: I'm looking at setting up a set of epson print heads for PCB printing. got any links about using them with FPGAs? I know we were pretty deep into that before crispr took the wind from our sails...
16:53 < kanzure> uhrmm CaptHindsight might have some links
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17:08 < juri_> CaptHindsight: ^--- links please? :)
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17:19 < juri_> and here i thought kanzure's external memory was infinite. :)
17:21 < kanzure> captain works with epsons and whatever, not me
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18:33 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/pavolrusnak/status/951599850302464004
18:33 < yoleaux> Although we are just 12 days into the new year, I think this is one of the most important cryptocurrency talks of 2018. It describes Confidential Transactions in Mimblewimble and Scriptless Scripts that allow smart contracts to be used in CT-based systems. http://youtu.be/ovCBT1gyk9c (@pavolrusnak)
18:35 < rpifan> lol
18:35 < rpifan> wtf
18:35 < rpifan> does that mean
18:35 < kanzure> fuck off and die
18:35 < kanzure> learn to read
18:35 < rpifan>  Mimblewimble
18:35 < rpifan> scriptless scripts?
18:35 < rpifan> the fuck
18:35 < rpifan> timey-wimey
18:35 < kanzure> https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog/flipping-the-scriptless-script-on-schnorr/
18:35 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2017/mimblewimble-and-scriptless-scripts/
18:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/
18:36 < rpifan> lol
18:36 < rpifan> get a real life
18:36 < kanzure> you asked, i have answered, now you have to die it's part of our agreement
18:36 < kanzure> there are witnesses of your agreement
18:37 < rpifan> lol
18:37 < rpifan> i didnt sign on that
18:39 <@fenn> ... it could have been called whuffie
18:40 < kanzure> when is rpifan going to say something valuable to this channel
18:40 < rpifan> never
18:41 < kanzure> get out
18:42 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/srikosuri/status/951614157295513600
18:42 < yoleaux> This is a pretty insane paper. Arc forms virus like capsids that transfer its own RNA that are translated in an activity dependent fashion. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867417315040 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTTQCARV4AAYsil.jpg (@srikosuri)
18:42 < kanzure> "The Neuronal Gene Arc Encodes a Repurposed Retrotransposon Gag Protein that Mediates Intercellular RNA Transfer" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867417315040
18:43 < rpifan> fuck you
18:43  * fenn sighs
18:44 < kanzure> 'Native Elongating Transcription by Polymerase-Regulated Immunoprecipitants in the Mammalian genome' oh
18:46 < kanzure> "Scalable, transparent, and post-quantum secure computational integrity" https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/046
18:47 < kanzure> (zk-STARKs stuff)
18:48 < kanzure> https://www.coindesk.com/white-paper-trustless-privacy-tech-zk-starks-published/
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19:24 < CaptHindsight> juri_: just the DNA inkjet paper
19:25 < CaptHindsight> juri_: and it used an old head that is no longer made  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC507883/
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19:32 < CaptHindsight> juri_: you'll need some analog on top of the FPGA to drive the piezos
19:33 < CaptHindsight> wow 14 year old paper
19:43 <@fenn> just use the regular printer driver
19:45 <@fenn> print with yellow pigment based ink and bake it on with a hot plate or clothes iron
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19:48 <@fenn> apparently cd/dvd printing trays work for small boards
19:53 <@fenn> maybe relevant http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm
19:55 < CaptHindsight> they always find a way to mess with you being able to print your way
19:56 < CaptHindsight> if you can get by with using the CD tray then you win
19:57 < CaptHindsight> probably means no second or more passes
19:57 < CaptHindsight> variation to the start position
19:57 < CaptHindsight> head cleaning/waste your ink cycles
19:57 <@fenn> ink is cheap with refill kits
19:58 < CaptHindsight> aqueous is maybe $5/L to make
19:58 < CaptHindsight> in low volume
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19:59 <@fenn> this page has tons of info http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm
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20:00 < CaptHindsight> both papers cover older Epson heads
20:00 < CaptHindsight> it's a win if you can find an older printer with those heads
20:03 < CaptHindsight> if it's making PCB's then it's easier with a photorresist and a laser platter
20:04 <@fenn> if you say so
20:04 < CaptHindsight> or if it's only 1-2 layer pcb's then machining
20:05 <@fenn> trace routing is even more fiddly
20:05 < CaptHindsight> or photoresist and laser printer on an overhead transparency
20:08 <@fenn> what about just using a digital projector and a lens?
20:08 < CaptHindsight> easiest and lowest cost is just sending files to a ChinaCo pcb fab
20:08 <@fenn> sure but that's no fun
20:09 < CaptHindsight> https://vetco.net/products/mg-rub-on-etch-resist-patterns
20:09 < CaptHindsight> wlecome back to the 70's
20:09 <@fenn> apparently sharpie marker works
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20:11 < CaptHindsight> https://vimeo.com/38570866  Hackerspace-made Conductive Ink
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20:37 < asdf82> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/01/01/241406.full.pdf
20:37 < asdf82> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0188146
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23:26 < nmz787> juri_: https://www.allprintheads.com/products/xaar-xj128-40w
23:27 < nmz787> juri_: interface via SPI
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