--- Log opened Sat Jan 20 00:00:28 2018 00:51 -!- darsie [~username@84.114.73.160] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:57 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05 < adlai> anyone wanting to store data for"ever" should ask themselves whether they'll be able to decode it in the future, and who they'll even be. if you're expecting a continuation of the current culture, stick it in the utxo sets (all of them) 01:14 < fenn> please don't encourage polluting blockchains 01:49 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- darsie [~username@84.114.73.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:50 -!- nemster [~nemster@62.175.106.109.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 -!- razzy` [~user@static-84-242-120-106.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:18 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:20 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:21 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:40 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:40 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:00 -!- razzy` [~user@193.165.236.254] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:41 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: dstrbd] 03:47 < maaku> lol that's a good way to have it not preserved as the spam is black listed (and pruned) or the chain restarted 03:47 < maaku> in response 04:13 -!- razzy` [~user@193.165.236.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:15 -!- nemster [~nemster@62.175.106.109.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:44 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:45 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:47 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:53 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 < kanzure> "for the love of all that is merkleized...." 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[~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: dstrbd] 08:47 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103f:8600:dcb4:391c:74f2:d0ac] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:46 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- aeiousom1thing [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29 < kanzure> "Remote control of nanoscale devices" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6373/279.full 11:01 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: dstrbd] 11:10 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@vdsl-54.itcanada.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:16 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:50 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:29 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:30 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- aeiousom1thing [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@vdsl-54.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:48 < maaku> .title http://www.minizinc.org 13:48 < yoleaux> MiniZinc 13:49 < maaku> "MiniZinc is a free and open-source constraint modeling language. You can use MiniZinc to model constraint satisfaction and optimization problems in a high-level, solver-independent way, taking advantage of a large library of pre-defined constraints. Your model is then compiled into FlatZinc, a solver input language that is understood by a wide range of solvers." 13:49 < kanzure> half the battle is picking the right constraints for mechanical systems 13:54 < maaku> Indeed. Do you know of any research into formalizing mechanical system constraints? 13:58 < kanzure> i was in a mechanical design lab for a while... we used graph grammars to represent transformations on graphs of constraints. 14:00 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@a7.dftronics.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: saurik, Joshchamp_ 14:06 -!- Joshchamp_ [sid159459@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-drunjqwzrsxxynts] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:18 < kanzure> "why i injected myself with untested gene therapy" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41990981 14:26 < kanzure> https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/guidances/ucm073122.pdf 14:30 < maaku> the actual article for the nanoscale remote control above : http://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6373/296 14:31 < kanzure> .title 14:31 < yoleaux> A self-assembled nanoscale robotic arm controlled by electric fields | Science 14:35 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: dstrbd] 14:37 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 < kanzure> .wik relatively independent sub-totality 15:00 < yoleaux> "Implicate order and explicate order are ontological concepts for quantum theory coined by theoretical physicist David Bohm during the early 1980s. They are used to describe two different frameworks for understanding the same phenomenon or aspect of reality." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate_and_explicate_order 15:00 < kanzure> erm. 15:00 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:01 -!- rancyd [stryfe@unaffiliated/rancyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:01 < maaku> Does anyone know estimates of distance between 1km planetoids in the interstellar medium? Or how to find this? I thought this would be something easily looked up ... 15:03 < maaku> n/m I went to ##astronomy 15:03 < kanzure> you are try also ##space 15:04 < kanzure> er, #spcae 15:04 < kanzure> #space 15:05 < kanzure> darsie: ^ 15:06 < darsie> kanzure: You think I know this? 15:09 < maaku> man you guys are in every channel it seems 15:10 < kanzure> darsie: i mean that he knows about astronomy so... 15:10 < darsie> hmm 15:12 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15 * maaku forgot how useless non-moderated channels are 15:17 < maaku> kanzure: auto-moderation for topic with an iron-fist might be a beneficial application of your machine learning transcript project, btw 15:19 < kanzure> i sort of miss the high-quality mailing lists from the 90s but i think only the good stuff got saved so it's a selection effect 15:19 < kanzure> or they had editors that edited and fact-checked everyone's emails before approving them? 15:19 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:20 < maaku> well, the 90's was higher quality too as legacy from the pre-eternal-september days 15:20 < maaku> although I'm surprised you're old enough to remember that? 15:20 < maaku> oh i forgot you started early 15:27 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@a7.dftronics.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:34 < kanzure> maaku: nah i wasn't around, i just read all the archives 15:36 < maaku> Well it use to be the case that the influx of new users was significantly less than existing users, and so they'd learn and conform to netiquette. 15:37 < maaku> It also used to be that new users would be onboarded at once on their 1st year of college, as the internet was mostly an academic thing. September was full of newbies but they were clue-sticked into submission and things were usable again a month or two later 15:37 < kanzure> also, the level of ambition in general seems to be much lower 15:37 < kanzure> like in transhumanist circles 15:38 < maaku> Now as soon as something starts to take off there's an influx of newbs and trollish behavior which overrides all community norms :\ 15:38 < kanzure> (e.g. regaridng actual technology projects that are realistic) 15:38 < maaku> Hrm. I don't know. There's a lot of idealist DNA and CRISPR-Cas9 stuff going on right? 15:38 < maaku> Also the cypherpunk revival. 15:39 < maaku> There was a dead time in the 00's though 15:39 < kanzure> the cas9 stuff is mostly a cloak of "don't talk about what we actually want, lest the biologists get startled and propose a moratorium" 15:40 < kanzure> biologists (or bioethic pigheads) are the only reason why i know the word "moratorium" 15:41 < JayDugger> No editors back then. Just pre-Eternal September, as maaku said. 16:24 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:33 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103f:8600:dcb4:391c:74f2:d0ac] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- razzy [~user@2001:718:2601:38f::21] has quit [Changing host] 16:45 -!- razzy [~user@unaffiliated/razzy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- Nikopol_ [~NSohru@a7.dftronics.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:36 -!- dstrbd [~dstrbd@ec2-52-90-70-199.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: dstrbd] 18:07 -!- Nikopol_ [~NSohru@a7.dftronics.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13 < kanzure> "Issues with synthetic human entities with (brain and/or) embryo-like features" 18:13 < kanzure> ok george 18:37 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:50 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@172.56.26.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@172.56.26.128] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 19:35 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@vdsl-54.itcanada.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:36 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-35.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:14 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:39 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:45 -!- AgenttiX [agenttix@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 23:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103f:8600:dcb4:391c:74f2:d0ac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103f:8600:15f3:3512:37b8:f415] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Jan 21 00:00:29 2018