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05:12 < kanzure> hmph
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05:56 < kanzure> "joint development agreement checklist" https://www.foley.com/files/Event/2e2a7259-1e0a-4fff-b459-d563c783e2c4/Presentation/EventAttachment/95d1dcfa-1cd8-4124-9e5c-db8eb8e3b4e3/JointDevelopmentAgreementChecklist.pdf
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09:09 < kanzure> omg uspto's patent submission process is incompatible with linux things
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09:40 < maaku>  meaning?
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09:53 < kanzure> maaku: it's exposing a lot of bugs in linux pdf stuff, like browser print-to-pdf doesn't actually include all the fonts apparently..
09:53 < kanzure> and using inkscape to edit a pdf also further breaks the pdf format, even if you later run it through pdftk or convert
09:53 < kanzure> ghostscript seems to help on the font front so far
09:54 < kanzure> one of their forms that they require you to attach is provided on their site as a pdf
09:54 < kanzure> as a basic test i did print-to-pdf of that form (blank without any information) and then uploaded that pdf as my submission and i still got a validation error ("wrong form")
09:55 < kanzure> same "wrong form" error with downloading and uploading that pdf file
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10:00 < kanzure> anyway, that particular cosmic horror is over now.
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10:15 < pompolic> pdf forms/acroform is such a headache
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10:53 < nmz787_> hmm, that worries me about filling out US immigration PDFs using PDFannotator, which allows you to write anywhere on the PDF
10:53 < nmz787_> I already found their 'forms' feature to be broken
10:53 < nmz787_> and this was on Windows :/
10:55 < nmz787_> .tell yashgaroth lots of 'camping bubble' hits like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bubble-Tent-Luxury-Inflatable-For-Outdoor-Festivals-Stargazing-and-Camping/162936927229
10:55 < yoleaux> nmz787_: I'll pass your message to yashgaroth.
10:56 < nmz787_> TMA: re "'high school' does not describe a school that happens to be over some height threshold" I thought the 'high' referred to the numeric grade-level being the 'high' bin of the histogram of grade-levels
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11:11 < yashgaroth> pretty decent if it can hold positive pressure and be sterilized with UV or formaldehyde or something
11:11 < yoleaux> 17:55Z <nmz787_> yashgaroth: lots of 'camping bubble' hits like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bubble-Tent-Luxury-Inflatable-For-Outdoor-Festivals-Stargazing-and-Camping/162936927229
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11:15 < nmz787_> yashgaroth: since being sold for 'camping' I'd expect it should hold up decently to solar UV... but it's also random plastic from china, so it could be the worst-performing stinkiest VOC-emitting crap you've come across
11:16 < yashgaroth> yeah true... we're gonna be blowing in quite a lot of hepa-filtered air so the VOCs should clear out pretty quick
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11:42 < fenn> nice bubble
11:44 < fenn> some plastics (i.e. teflon/tefzel) transmit UV light completely, and most will let some through
11:47 < fenn> "cost effective greenhouse for gardeners!" just make sure you don't asphyxiate after filling it with CO2
11:47 < kanzure> you don't need to use a tent for a luxury gene therapy treatment medical tourism thing... as soon as you need 20 doctors to staff the place, then you should be okay with spending some money on making an actual building or converting existing rooms.
11:48 < fenn> the idea was to put the tent inside the building as a sterile zone
11:50 < yashgaroth> you can get modular hard-wall cleanrooms as well, though I do like the bubble aesthetic
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11:53 < kanzure> i'm not actually familiar with what bubble boy people do. i mean, organ transplant immunosuppressant people seem to just live in normal houses. webmd tells them "don't do gardening" but otherwise normal.
11:54 < fenn> i think it's a matter of degree
11:54 < fenn> might be easier to read about SCID mouse protocols
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11:56 < yashgaroth> with organ transplantation you're still getting human organs, so there might be small protein changes between donor and recipient that are immunogenic, but it's less likely to trigger a reaction than an entirely foreign virus
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11:56 < kanzure> and "cook yer food probably don't use a microwave y'all"
11:58 < fenn> "since 1999, gene therapy has restored the immune systems of at least 17 children with two forms (ADA-SCID and X-SCID)"
11:59 < kanzure> neat.
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16:31 < nmz787_> do bubbles have better laminar flow? no/less corners to accumulate dust and pathogens
16:51 < yashgaroth> laminar flow isn't as necessary if everything that enters is sterile, but that's never a certainty
16:55 < juul> The best laminar flow is where the air is sucked in around the bottom on all sides rather than just front and back. I don't think curving the walls inwards toward the bottom will do anything positive for reduction of turbulence
16:59 < juul> Laminar flow is necessary if working on anything growing much slower than e. coli in an open biosafety cabinet (not a glove box) where the humans aren't wearing suits and going through decontamination
17:00 < juul> This should be coupled with proper laf bench sterile technique training.
17:00 < fenn> this is for immunosuppressed people
17:01 < juul> What nmz787 is working on is?
17:02 < fenn> idea for gene therapy efficiency improvement. i'm not sure if it's serious yet
17:02 < juul> I see. I'd still design using biosafety cabinet principles unless trying to save money
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22:46 < kanzure> aaaaaaaaaa
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