--- Log opened Fri Apr 06 00:00:40 2018 00:05 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: MAXIMUM SOFTCORE] 00:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:4556:6155:1408:2eb4:3249:7317] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:4556:6155:1408:2eb4:3249:7317] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- schindler_ [uid149928@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nitldevogtyxzujz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:08 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-103-223-018.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:36 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:13 < archels> “Fundamentally, the company is based on a proposition that is just false. It is something that just can’t happen,” says Sten Linnarsson of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden. 05:13 < archels> well gee Sten, maybe you should get off your high horse 05:13 < archels> re https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610743/mit-severs-ties-to-company-promoting-fatal-brain-uploading/ 05:28 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@101.180.240.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:2e00:bcdd:57f1:595b:2599] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:2e00:4ca1:91d6:4739:f95d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:01 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.242.18.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:2e00:bcdd:57f1:595b:2599] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:34 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 < kanzure> archels: https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/981218601519722496 06:43 < archels> ah, thanks 06:56 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:56 < kanzure> archels: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/nectome-1517-2018/ 07:09 -!- schindler__ [uid149928@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxriownhupabtqay] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:48 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrtsvygqydncgwvc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:08 < kanzure> ahahaha that humanity+ essay contest has turned into a "blockchain and transhumanism" essay contest :-( 08:09 < fenn> :( 08:10 < fenn> i guess it's better than having no topic in particular 08:11 < fenn> calling all grifters and con artists 08:12 < fenn> i wonder if lockheed has a working fusion reactor yet 08:12 < kanzure> just go up to them and ask 08:13 < fenn> it could be classified information 08:13 < kanzure> knock on their door, ask to see their nuclear physicist 08:13 < fenn> hm ok 08:18 < JayDugger> I doubt they have a working reactor, and at least that old patent didn't disappear down the memory hole. 08:19 < fenn> would the patent have been hidden if the project became classified? 08:19 < JayDugger> I don't know. How paranoid an answer do you want? 08:20 < JayDugger> Low paranoia: The patent wasn't hidden because it made good advertising. 08:20 < fenn> advertising? 08:21 < JayDugger> Yeah. As in "we're so awesome, we have breakthrough fusion reactors as SIDE PROJECTS." 08:21 * TMA tends to suspect that the whole "fusion in a shipping container" was a way to prop share prices before the CEO/board bonuses were determined for the year 08:22 < JayDugger> Could be. 08:22 < fenn> i don't really care as long as someone is working on it 08:22 < TMA> the same with HP's (then HPE's) "The Machine" and memristors 08:22 < JayDugger> Okay. Shall I go on with the more paranoid answers? 08:24 < fenn> proceed 08:24 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@27.59.145.215] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 < fenn> rant at will 08:27 < JayDugger> Medium paranoia: LM made these press releases to simultaneously encourage Uncle Sam to loosen his purse strings for further contracts and to present a target for industrial espionage. This allows LM to encourage the former by credibly mentioning the latter. This cycle has a period of years, and can get repeated. 08:28 < fenn> why would they get more money for having been spied upon? 08:28 < JayDugger> Because then it is a race. 08:29 < fenn> "mister president, we must close the fusion gap!" sort of thing? 08:29 < JayDugger> You don't want opponent Y to reach breakthrough Z ahead of us, do you? 08:29 < JayDugger> Yes. 08:30 < fenn> well if there's one thing that could turn the world upside down, it's russia churning out fusion reactors by the hundred 08:31 < fenn> the old soviet scientists are still puttering around in their lab/gardens 08:31 < JayDugger> s/russia/anyone/ 08:31 < fenn> russia has the most expertise 08:32 < fenn> ok let's hear some high-grade paranoia 08:32 < kanzure> premium paranoia 08:32 < fenn> the sweet sweet opiate of the elites 08:33 < JayDugger> High paranoia: LM really has a breakthrough fusion reactor, and they are at the point in the program where they let it leak. 08:33 < fenn> huh? it was a navy research contract 08:33 < fenn> SBIR to EMC2 08:33 < JayDugger> Ah, I don't think that's the LM reactor. 08:33 < fenn> it's the same people 08:34 < fenn> tom mcguire at least 08:34 < JayDugger> I thought that was Thomas Ligon. 08:34 < fenn> oh hmm 08:35 < JayDugger> If LM has or thinks then can get what they seem to claim, then expect to hear nothing for a few more years at least. 08:35 < fenn> .title https://books.google.com/books?id=DCa0rRm3m9UC&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167 08:35 < yoleaux> Secret and Suppressed II: Banned Ideas and Hidden History Into the 21st Century - Google Books 08:36 < JayDugger> Then it will either start showing up as test products, or it will disappear completely, showing up only intermittently in passing references in Aviation Week for the next two or three decades. 08:37 < JayDugger> Which one happens depends entirely on whether you think LM would "turn it into a black project" or whether you think LM would follow its fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders. 08:38 < fenn> they get paid either way 08:38 < fenn> .wik fiduciary responsibility 08:38 < yoleaux> "A fiduciary is a person who holds a legal or ethical relationship of trust with one or more other parties (person or group of persons). Typically, a fiduciary prudently takes care of money or other assets for another person." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_responsibility 08:38 < JayDugger> Yeah, but the latter is much more profitable. 08:39 < fenn> there are tons of technologies that would be profitable to sell to every civilian but they aren't allowed to 08:39 < fenn> it's not LM's prerogative to "turn it into a black project" 08:39 < JayDugger> Fair enough on both counts. 08:40 < fenn> i don't actually know who makes that decision 08:40 < fenn> someone in DoD presumably 08:40 < JayDugger> Uncle Sam might classify the whole she-bang, but that doesn't mean that Uncle Sam can compel the work. 08:40 < JayDugger> Legally, maybe, but there would be practical limits. 08:41 < JayDugger> No idea here on how patents get classified, though that would be interesting to know. 08:48 < fenn> jeez this "secret and suppressed" ebook is hard to find 08:48 < JayDugger> I noticed that. I also looked at the list of contributors and the Table of Contents. 08:49 < JayDugger> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1020502961 08:50 < JayDugger> Two big tinfoil hats in the list of contributors. 08:50 < fenn> yes sure but it's better than nothing? 08:51 < JayDugger> Eh, maybe? I have the feeling that page on Polywell was the best of a bad lot. 08:51 < fenn> for example now i can look at what tom rider is doing 08:51 < fenn> i just wanted to read the next page 08:51 < fenn> "showing results for tomb raider" 08:51 < fenn> thanks google 08:52 < JayDugger> That's a whole different set of paranoid, isn't it? 08:53 < fenn> literally no information about this person on google 08:53 < fenn> "this author is owned by..." is not a usual way to phrase things 08:53 < JayDugger> Try Facebook. I hear they're good for that. 08:54 < fenn> i don't know how to use facebook 08:54 < JayDugger> Can't help you there. 08:54 < fenn> oh heh it's Todd Rider 08:54 < kanzure> .wik weaponized carbohydrates 08:54 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 08:55 -!- razzy [~user@unaffiliated/razzy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56 < fenn> sounds like a serious soda brand 08:56 -!- razzy [~user@unaffiliated/razzy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 < fenn> oh shit Todd Rider is the DRACO guy 08:58 < fenn> this has to be a name collision 08:58 < fenn> i don't believe it 08:58 < JayDugger> Coincidence of names? 08:58 < JayDugger> Not like "Todd" or "Rider" are rare. 08:58 < fenn> MIT Lincoln lab is where they do physics tho 09:00 < fenn> "In other areas of research, he discovered fundamental physical limitations on nuclear fusion reactors, analyzed antimatter rocket engines, and demonstrated methods to combine numerous laser beams to form more powerful laser beams." 09:02 < JayDugger> Looks more likely. Do the middle names also match? 09:02 < fenn> no idea 09:03 < fenn> this guy is all over the place 09:03 < JayDugger> Well, it's "Thomas John McGuire" at LM. So stalk accordingly. 09:04 < fenn> "Previously Dr. Rider invented an improved system of rocket staging, orbital flight simulations, tested scale models in a wind tunnel... biosensors, biofuel cells, DNA synthesizers" 09:07 < fenn> this google patent image pane thingy is so stupid 09:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@27.59.145.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:10 < fenn> if they arranged the image thumbnails vertically there would be a lot more room for the image itself 09:10 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 < kanzure> "Wendy's created one of the industry's first Animal Welfare Advisory Councils in 2001 to review and strengthen animal care standards by suppliers. Many of these standards were later adopted industry-wide." 09:25 < kanzure> guess i know what animal testing standards to adhere to 09:27 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27 < kanzure> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/03/02/feature/the-silicon-valley-elites-latest-status-symbol-chickens/ 09:27 < kanzure> (pimp my chicken coop with LED strips?) 09:28 < kanzure> something something designer chickens. lost that train of thought. 09:28 < fenn> so much hate 09:31 < fenn> "walking the dog: favorite pickup technique of techbro womanizers" 09:31 < fenn> "eating pizza on friday: silicon valley's latest productivity craze" 09:32 < fenn> "driving to work is killing california, and it's all the fault of silicon valley elites" 09:32 < fenn> etc 09:35 < kanzure> gp-write ip stuff.. something something exclusivity. i am grumpy about this. 09:36 < kanzure> "is the world ready for synthetic people" https://medium.com/neodotlife/q-a-with-drew-endy-bde0950fd038 09:40 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:e019:646d:6d18:8652] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 < kanzure> https://synbiobeta.com/open-philanthropy-project-awards-11-3m-to-uws-institute-for-protein-design/ 09:47 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@dhcp-108-170-158-198.cable.user.start.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:48 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 < kanzure> l_wl: be greeted 09:57 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrtsvygqydncgwvc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:30 < kanzure> https://mrc.ukri.org/news/browse/genome-sequencing-of-first-50000-uk-biobank-participants/ 10:32 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 < l_wl> hi 10:34 < l_wl> kanzure: nice to be greeted 10:36 < l_wl> Im assuming everyone here is sign-up for alcove right? If not make sure you guys take out a life-insurance policy that is somewhat larger than the cost of alcove preservation - such that you die you can afford it (it really isn't that expensive) 10:36 < l_wl> Alcor* 10:37 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:38 < kanzure> l_wl: we're more into nectome around here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/nectome-1517-2018/ 10:39 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@dhcp-108-170-158-198.cable.user.start.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 < l_wl> Ye but theres no big establishment surrounding that - one u could trust to keep you preserved better than them 10:39 < l_wl> And plus by the time u die they should be implementing this strat 10:48 < kanzure> hmm but if you compare alcor's results to nectome's, you literally see tons of neuronal damage in alcor's electron micrographs 10:51 < l_wl> So is net come fully established etc? Why doesn't he join with alcor 11:13 < kanzure> because alcor is incompetent 11:13 < kanzure> they have basically no development budget 11:14 < kanzure> they have been at this for multiple decades and their results are shit 11:19 < kanzure> "Wastewater-based tracing of doping use by the general population and amateur athletes" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807464/ 11:20 < fenn> even in the best of scenarios (young otherwise healthy patient in a hospice with terminal illness) alcor manages to get bad cryopreservations 11:20 < fenn> kudos to them for being so transparent, but at the end of the day it's the preservation that matters 11:21 < fenn> and then you require a big organization to exist to maintain the LN2 tanks 11:21 < fenn> you could literally put someone preserved with formaldehyde underground in northern canada and they'd be fine for hudreds to thousands of years 11:22 < fenn> or just a regular refrigerator 11:23 < fenn> i'm also concerned about the cracking 11:23 < fenn> sure you can fix it with software, but there's no way in hell that piece of biological matter is going to be fixed 11:24 < fenn> i mean wake up and start talking and walking around 11:27 -!- WeirdTolkienishF [~Weird@204.48.46.11] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- WeirdTolkienishF [~Weird@204.48.46.11] has quit [Changing host] 11:27 -!- WeirdTolkienishF [~Weird@unaffiliated/weirdtolkienishf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 < archels> kanzure: haha, I like how McIntyre casully does a pen trick with the microphone during the Q&A 11:30 < archels> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y524FbBaVHM&feature=youtu.be&t=52m04s 11:36 < kanzure> it's called having style 12:14 -!- WeirdTolkienishF [~Weird@unaffiliated/weirdtolkienishf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:16 < nmz787> https://ideas.lego.com/projects/fcce15cd-27e0-405b-990b-681b7787fbc6 12:16 < nmz787> .title 12:16 < yoleaux> LEGO Ideas - Working Microscope 12:18 < nmz787> fenn: I will note that I should purchase a gravesite in northern canada, and install a vacation home/trailer next to it for retirement 12:20 < fenn> you need to be properly preserved first 12:20 < fltrz> anyone happen to be familiar with Gibbs ensemble Monte Carlo? 12:23 < nmz787> fenn: but isn't that like, a heartbeat monitor and your easy-chair ready to auto-flip you into a bucket of preservant? 12:24 < fenn> no you need to circulate it through your veins and probably icky stuff involving the digestive tract 12:24 < nmz787> hmm 12:24 < nmz787> can we program some species of mosquito to have the females suck blood, while the males inject preservant? 12:25 < nmz787> then my plan just needs some stagnant water 12:27 < nmz787> I can't really think of anything that naturally injects, besides snakes and maybe man-of-war? 12:27 < nmz787> lots of mosquitoes and snakes with preservant-venom 12:28 < nmz787> only revive me after developing sufficient anti-itch cream so I don't wake up scratching like crazy 12:28 < nmz787> some of the snakes can also be constrictors, to better pump things around if needed 12:28 -!- schindler__ [uid149928@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxriownhupabtqay] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:30 < fenn> the kool aid may be going to your head 12:31 < fenn> lego optics breadboard sounds like a good idea though 13:00 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:01 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:01 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 < kanzure> mosquitos wont be able to perfuse you quickly enough; even 20 hours and your brain is mush. 13:42 < andytoshi> .title https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JAMC-D-12-0110.1 13:45 < andytoshi> "CO2 Snow Deposition in Antarctica to Curtail Anthropogenic Global Warming" <-- an atmospheric engineering paper that points out that antarctic temperatures have been measured at 184 K .. at 133 K carbon dioxide will spontaneously form dry ice "snow", and it's certainly feasible to cool the air by 50 degrees to cause this to happen 13:59 < fenn> or you could do it in a more convenient location 14:00 < fenn> or just pump the gaseous co2 underground, etc 14:05 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.242.18.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17 < TMA> seems somewhat infeasible. generating enough power to operate the freezers seems like it could produce a net loss in terms of CO2 14:19 < TMA> I have not made the calculations, but the basic physics says that in order to run the carnot cycle backwards (i.e. cooling) you need to add the exact amount of energy that you would obtain in a forward run 14:20 < TMA> combine with the fact that real thermal engines are not as efficient as the ideal carnot cycle 14:22 < TMA> you would need to produce more heat than you will cool. 14:26 < andytoshi> they propose using wind power 14:37 -!- augur [~augur@45.34.140.45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:44 -!- augur [~augur@45.34.140.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 < TMA> CO2 has over .7 kJ/kg specific heat at those temperatures, thats 50*.7 = 35 kJ/kg, with freezer effectiveness of 2.5 that means 14 kJ/kg electricity. 14:48 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:50 < fenn> phase change energy often dominates 14:51 < fenn> and filtering the co2 out also take a lot 14:51 < fenn> unless you do it at the source 14:52 < fenn> the real problem is that we're burning carbon to generate energy 14:52 < fenn> fix that and you can do all these fun atmosphere modifications 14:52 < TMA> the world produces over 10^13 kg of carbon emissions, thats 3.67e13 kg CO2. to cool that amount you would need 3.67e13 * 35e3 J energy, 1,2845e18 J; that's some 4e12 W .. 4 TW 14:54 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 < fenn> 0.04 TW 14:55 < fenn> well within the capacity of a few decently sized nuclear plants 14:58 < TMA> I must've done some arithmetic eeeoe, I am too tired to find out where 14:58 < nmz787> yeah I am seeing even more watts 14:59 < fenn> 1.3e18 J per year right 14:59 < nmz787> I get 5.6*10^14 W (over a year) 14:59 < nmz787> oh 14:59 < nmz787> wait 14:59 < nmz787> do we have a UK/european in the conversation? 14:59 < fenn> the , is a decimal point 14:59 < nmz787> was the comma meant to be a decimal point? 15:00 < nmz787> oh 15:00 < nmz787> I don't understand how we can have a competing decimal point standard 15:00 < fenn> yeah it's nuts 15:01 < TMA> oh, you mean ./,? ask 19th (or 16th?) century typographers 15:01 < fenn> there should be some standard like you're not allowed to use more than ten in scientific notation 15:02 < TMA> 1,2845e18 should be 1.2845e18 actually 15:04 < fenn> rocky mountain institute made a big decimal point error in a recent pro-wind anti-nuclear policy making paper 15:05 < fenn> and then pretended like it didn't affect their conclusions 15:06 < fenn> can't trust environmentalists anymore, can't trust businessmen, can't trust politicians, what do you do? 15:06 < fenn> inject nanomachine into their brains, that's what 15:12 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@softbank126225098146.bbtec.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@softbank126225098146.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:37 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:58 < kanzure> "Towards a bioelectronic computer: A theoretical study of a multi-layer biomolecular computing system that can process electronic inputs" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/28/290775 17:58 < kanzure> "Linear-double-stranded DNA (ldsDNA) based AND logic computation in mammalian cells" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/26/266056 17:58 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 < kanzure> "Proof of concept continuous event logging in living cells" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/08/225151 18:00 < kanzure> uh what? "Placebo beats gene therapy for blindness in phase 3 trial" 18:03 < kanzure> "Single-nucleotide-resolution computing and memory in living cells" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/16/263657 18:04 < kanzure> "Rationally-engineered reproductive barriers using CRISPR & CRISPRa: an evaluation of the synthetic species concept in Drosophila melanogaster" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/02/259010 18:05 < streety> do you have a ref for the blindness gene therapy trial 18:06 < streety> a search for blind doesn't help much when it comes to clinical trial 18:06 < kanzure> https://labiotech.eu/gensight-gene-therapy-blindness-placebo/ 18:06 < streety> thanks 18:07 < kanzure> hmm "Bernard Gilly has hinted at the possibility that the gene therapy might be benefitting both eyes despite being used only in one of them." 18:09 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10 < streety> apparently other phase III trials are going on 18:11 < streety> seems unusual in itself 18:15 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05 -!- Guest63729 [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:01 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:01 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:01 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:08 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:25 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20:25 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:46 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:13 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:16 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 21:19 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- MrHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:37 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-103-223-018.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.14.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:49 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:49 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@bryan.fairlystable.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:50 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:50 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:50 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | as investigated by the fbi weapons of mass destruction division | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - 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