--- Log opened Tue Apr 24 00:00:57 2018
00:07 -!- Mathias_Mindblad [~matt@71.255.157.166] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:12 < fenn> use carbon nanotubes instead
01:07 < Mathias_Mindblad> I wish I had a proper lab to make carbon nanotubes. You could forge a blade sharp enough to be a proper match for a rifle.
01:11 < maaku> You could weave a bulletproof skin
01:12 < Mathias_Mindblad> Or chop the barrel off a tank
01:13 < Mathias_Mindblad> Mythic level sharpness when you sharpen down to a single line of molecules
01:14 < Mathias_Mindblad> Or build in indestructable transhuman body.
01:14 < Mathias_Mindblad> an
01:15 < Mathias_Mindblad> With a central nervous system built completely from Fiber Optics
01:17 < Mathias_Mindblad> H++
01:18 < TMA> Mathias_Mindblad: build one
01:21 < Mathias_Mindblad> I don't have the proper equipment, staff, or R&D facilities. Maybe I could get those if I lived in Cambridge, MA with all the mad scientists, but I'm in a small town in Maine that's at least 30 years behind the rest of the world. Ugh.
01:22 < Mathias_Mindblad> I do a lot of writing though.
01:30 < Mathias_Mindblad> My medium blog really needs peer review for a few matters including AI and Transhumanism. Yer all invited to tear my ideas to shreds in the comments section.
01:38 < Mathias_Mindblad> So, going down the list of stuff I would want for my Transhuman body: 1.) A carbon nanotube skeleton. 2.) Bulletproof carbon nanotube skin. 3.) Soft Robotic Synthetic Muscles(like Atlas of Boston Dynamics) 4.) A full synthetic nervous system made out of Fiber Optic Cable. 5.) A quantum computer inside my carbon nanotube skull.
01:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:56 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:57 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:02 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
02:15 -!- red-001 [red@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rnxcpxhmeblmsksg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
02:24 < Mathias_Mindblad> https://medium.com/@flamecloaks
02:27 -!- red-001 [red@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cihobjpsxcspfnvy] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:31 < Mathias_Mindblad> RSO + Ginkgo Biloba + Fish Oil = Nootropic
02:38 < Mathias_Mindblad> Ginkgo Biloba opens the brain up to more oxygen, which makes it more sensitive to whatever you apply to the brain next. The Fish Oil has Omega-3 Fatty Acids to strengthen the brain. Rick Simpson Oil(Refined THC) is for abstraction of thought, which is a good measurement of intelligence. The RSO has more of an effect on the brain when the brain is more sensitive, and the Omega-3 is like fortification
02:40 < Mathias_Mindblad> My approximation of the resulting effect is a temporary IQ boost of 20 points.
02:41 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:44 < Mathias_Mindblad> For further effects, refer to my blog.
02:52 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-205-23.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:15 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:11 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:19 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsbyloczbbdgcgrc] has quit []
04:20 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hnrvzucwsrgrauve] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:44 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
04:46 -!- juri_ [~juri@c-73-129-195-174.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:51 -!- juri_ [~juri@c-73-129-195-174.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
04:53 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-205-23.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:57 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:57 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-205-23.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
05:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit []
05:46 < TMA> Mathias_Mindblad: last time I heard ginko had effects indistinguishable from placebo
05:46 < TMA> Mathias_Mindblad: do you have any metaanalysis that supports the claim
05:46 < TMA> Mathias_Mindblad: ?
05:50 < fenn> ginkgo is a mild MAOI
05:50 < fenn> i dunno about oxygen
05:52 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'm just going by experience
05:53 < Mathias_Mindblad> I discovered this by accident when I was trying to use the RSO for sleep. My anxiety disorder prevents me from sleeping naturally.
05:53 < fenn> THC
05:54 < Mathias_Mindblad> Refined THC, legal in maine
05:55 < Mathias_Mindblad> The alternative was ZzQuil, which was doing a number on my liver.
05:55 < fenn> i have no problems with the legality, i just prefer generic names to shameless branding
05:55 < Mathias_Mindblad> Oh. I didn't know it was shameless.
05:56 < fenn> if someone other than Rick Simpson makes "Rick Simpson oil" is it still "Rick Simpson oil" or something else?
05:56 < Mathias_Mindblad> Good point
05:57 < fenn> you should try magnesium supplements such as magnesium citrate or magnesium glycinate
05:58 < fenn> magnesium citrate solution is cheap and available as a laxative in every drug store and most grocery stores
05:58 < Mathias_Mindblad> Why?
05:59 < fenn> most people are deficient in magnesium and this results in anxiety
06:00 < fenn> magnesium and calcium compete for NMDA channels, also calcium mediates the adrenal response
06:00 < fenn> the result being that you can have panic attacks for apparently no reason with too much calcium and not enough magnesium
06:00 < fenn> and it's difficult to relax muscles completely when deficient in magnesium
06:01 < fenn> there aren't good modern food sources of magnesium
06:01 < kanzure> be greeted, earthlungs!
06:01  * fenn flaps his earth gills wildly
06:02 < Mathias_Mindblad> I was hooked on Seroquel from the VA for 10 years, and I quit cold turkey last year and I haven't taken it since. The ZzQuil was my way of transitioning through the severe withdrawal symptoms. The THC was what replaced the ZzQuil
06:02 < Mathias_Mindblad> My VA Psychiatrist wanted to put me on Depakote for my Anxiety.
06:03 < fenn> well go easy on ginkgo and other MAOIs because they can induce mania
06:03 < Mathias_Mindblad> I have Mania.
06:03 < fenn> it's quite apparent
06:03 < Mathias_Mindblad> Yeah
06:03 < kanzure> nobody should go easy on ginkgo bioworks
06:04 < fenn> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spF6A2QK31s
06:04 < yoleaux> Go easy on your EBEs. - YouTube
06:09 < Mathias_Mindblad> "God's Mix Tape" is an example of writing while manic.
06:09 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
06:10 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8dr4fw/benedikt_b%C3%BCnz_bulletproofs/
06:12 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'd call myself a mad scientist, but I lack even an associates degree in anything, much less a STEM field.
06:13 < kanzure> .wik depakote
06:13 < yoleaux> "Valproate (VPA), and its valproic acid, sodium valproate, and valproate semisodium forms, are medications primarily used to treat epilepsy and bipolar disorder and to prevent migraine headaches. It is useful for the prevention of seizures in those with absence seizures, partial seizures, and generalized seizures." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depakote
06:13 < kanzure> "What do we really know about dino DNA?" https://phys.org/news/2016-03-dino-dna.html
06:13 < Mathias_Mindblad> Yes, that was what the VA offered.
06:14 < kanzure> "They then predicted, but did not test, that DNA as small as 175 base pairs was extremely unlikely to persist in Cretaceous bone. Oddly, this same study showed that age alone could not account for DNA loss or preservation.
06:15 < kanzure> instead of graverobbing dead geniuses for dna, what about just buying the land from cemetaries...?
06:15 < kanzure> or the individual plots.
06:17 < fenn> it would still be grave robbing
06:17 < Mathias_Mindblad> Why rent time in the gold mine when you can be the landlord and sell mining equipment? :D
06:17 < kanzure> cemeteries recycle their plots right?
06:17 < fenn> also there's not a "national dead genius cemetary"
06:18 < Mathias_Mindblad> Genius starts at 145 IQ, I think.
06:21 < Mathias_Mindblad> So, if I stopped taking Ginkgo Biloba with my Refined THC and Fish Oil, my Mania should go away?
06:21 < kanzure> fenn: well there might be a cemetary that has a higher density of dead geniuses
06:22 < Mathias_Mindblad> Yeah, in Cambridge, MA.
06:22 < kanzure> cemetery
06:22 < TMA> actually we have a special 'national cemetery for people of merit' here
06:22 < kanzure> we could use VC money to go buy cemeteries and buy up the genetic material
06:24 < Mathias_Mindblad> I want to give my body to science when I die. No use having it rot in the ground when it could be used to help people.
06:24 < Jenda> TMA: though as I look at the list ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slav%C3%ADn_(Prague) ), most of them are of little interest regarding technological advancement...
06:25 < TMA> there are certainly interesting people there (e.g. Jan Evangelista Purkyně (the Purkinje cells are named after him)
06:26 < Mathias_Mindblad> You can skip the cemetary raid with me, lol.
06:28 < kanzure> "Expansion stimulated emission depletion microscopy" https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.8b00776 https://twitter.com/eboyden3/status/988070004825477120
06:28 < kanzure> wearable MRI thing https://www.openwater.cc/
06:30 < TMA> Mathias_Mindblad: This might sound hurtful, but from what I can tell you are yet to demonstrate that your self-assesment is accurate. The blog you posted link to does not entail such an evidence, maybe even to the contrary. To be fair, I have performed only a cursory perusal thereof.
06:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:31 < fenn> the world could use a few more of alphons mucha
06:32 < TMA> Jenda: there are other parts of the selfsame cemetery with interesting burials.
06:33 < Mathias_Mindblad> It's not hurtful at all. You are the first person to seriously criticize my work on this matter. I'm actually feeling relieved.
06:34 < Mathias_Mindblad> I had to start somewhere.
06:34 < Mathias_Mindblad> Thank you very much.
06:38 < TMA> I have tried piracetam for several months, but it was not working. I did not even _feel_ any better. From what I have read, all the 'better' options are prescription only.
06:39 < Mathias_Mindblad> The more you prove me wrong, the stronger I feel.
06:39 < fenn> piracetam on its own doesn't have any noticeable effect
06:42 < Mathias_Mindblad> "Better"TM
06:52 < TMA> fenn: what should I have combined it with?
06:52 < fenn> eh? i have no idea what's wrong with you
06:52 < fenn> you want to feel better? try eating vegetables and exrecise
06:53 < fenn> get laid, play music, etc
06:53 < fenn> all easier said than done of course
06:53 < Mathias_Mindblad> Yeah
06:53 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'm single, lol.
06:54 < fenn> i find piracetam helps a lot with mental and physical jitters caused by caffeine
06:54 < Mathias_Mindblad> My arts are based on cartooning and creative writing, not music.
07:00 -!- cpc26_ [~cpc26@2600:1700:f90:4320:186c:38c6:e0b6:a811] has quit []
07:00 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@2600:1700:f90:4320:a800:5b38:ac96:9201] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:00 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@2600:1700:f90:4320:a800:5b38:ac96:9201] has quit [Changing host]
07:00 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:03 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:14 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'm @BronyFurious on Twitter
07:15 < Mathias_Mindblad> I also have an account on neurons.ai
07:20 < fenn> you're not winning any points here
07:20 < Mathias_Mindblad> lol
07:20 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'm not trying to win points
07:21 < Mathias_Mindblad> I'm just giving more definition to my identity.
07:22 < Mathias_Mindblad> If I'm a complete idiot, at least I know what rung on the ladder I'm at. It makes it easier to climb up if I can see the ladder.
07:25 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:33 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
07:39 -!- s0ph1a [sid246387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdlurqwrgkhzrelx] has quit []
07:40 -!- s0ph1a [sid246387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkxbunwsywxlfuuc] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:42 < TMA> fenn: I tried piracetam in hope of my ability to concentrate will improve; [I have assessed myself that except for the difficulty concentrating there is not much wrong with myself that cannot be fixed by judiciously applying undivided attention. [[I am able to control my body with proper concentration even to the level of altering my heartbeat by will alone.]] It is the concentration ability which is lacking -- I cannot reliably induce the high concentration 
07:46 < TMA> fenn: I am trying for the items on your "easier said than done" list with various level of success, so there's that; I was just curious as to what the possible combinations are, hwn you said "piracetam on its own doesn't have any noticeable effect"
07:54 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
07:54 < Mathias_Mindblad> G'morning
07:57 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-205-23.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:57 < TMA> fenn: ah, I has dawned on me just now. You might have implied that the lifestyle choices are the combining elements. I have not seen it earlier because I have expected some substance. Of course lifestyle choices influence substance (endogenous or exogenous in case of dietary change).
07:57 < Mathias_Mindblad> Barely the crack of noon
08:12 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:18 < fenn> ah no, i meant in combination with some other CNS-affecting drugs
08:21 < fenn> the two drugs typically used for concentration are methylphenidate and modafinil (and caffeine of course)
08:22 < fenn> i haven't tried combining those with piracetam, or perhaps it was a long time ago and i don't remember the results
08:22 < fenn> i found that working in a laundromat with no internet connection helped :)
08:23 < fenn> unfortunately for me it went out of business
08:24 < kanzure> what work
08:24 < kanzure> very important internet bookmarking?
08:27 < superkuh> It worked for Carl Linnaeus.
08:28 < kanzure> is he dead
08:28 < superkuh> Very.
08:29 < superkuh> People still laud him for putting things in categories though.
08:48 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
09:11 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
09:15 -!- Mathias_Mindblad [~matt@71.255.157.166] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"]
09:16 -!- Mathias_Mindblad [~matt@71.255.157.166] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:40 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.234.208.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:04 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
10:10 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:11 -!- lewl__ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:11 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:12 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:12 -!- lewl__ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:14 < kanzure> .wik epithalon
10:14 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed.
10:14 < kanzure> .wik cereteopic
10:14 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed.
10:26 < JayDugger> See also Dewey, Otlet, and Cutter.
10:26 < JayDugger> Also all dead.
10:30 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:31 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:35 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:170:b663:e167:643c] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:44 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit []
10:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:47 -!- lewl_ [~l_wl_@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:03 -!- l_w_ [~Mutter@2600:1:f1bb:79b6:b0d8:1ab8:75c8:6255] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:03 < l_w_> Any good hackerspaces in Hungary?
11:06 -!- l_w_ [~Mutter@2600:1:f1bb:79b6:b0d8:1ab8:75c8:6255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:39 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving]
11:45 < kanzure> https://hackaday.io/project/152709-itsy-chipsy-make-your-own-100-chip
11:47 -!- redlegion1 is now known as redlegion
11:52 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-205-23.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gone for now but not for good]
11:55 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:00 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:c023:8910:816e:59a4:6e1c:470e] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:26 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:c023:8910:816e:59a4:6e1c:470e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:28 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:c023:8910:ac05:2ef0:dce:a4eb] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:35 < kanzure> "I follow a version of David Pearces hedonistic imperative so I view creating people today as making another locus of suffering.  We need tools for paradise engineering and I think a moratorium on reproduction is ethical until then. No creation of people with genetic disease risks ie aging, mental illness. Have to figure out the factors behind super resiliance before spawning more people."
12:39 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:43 < catern> hmmm
12:43 < catern> the internet was a mistake
12:44 < fenn> bravo on the bioethics trolling
12:45 < fenn> classic
12:46 < catern> thanks
13:04 -!- namespace [~user@li72-90.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
13:05 -!- streety [~streety@li761-24.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
13:05 -!- namespace [user@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe7b:227f] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:06 -!- streety [~streety@li761-24.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:26 < kanzure> "TLS-N: Non-repudiation over TLS enabling ubiquitous content signing for disintermediation" https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ef6f/b5aa48b25620b2b5c01039029b9c8b98a46c.pdf
13:27 < kanzure> https://tls-n.org/
13:50 -!- augur_ [~augur@2600:380:464c:5199:a0cc:2bfb:cc28:7c3f] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:52 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnrFsekayrM
13:52 < yoleaux> TLS-N: Non-repudiation over TLS Enabling Ubiquitous Content Signing - BPASE '18 - YouTube
13:52 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:c023:8910:ac05:2ef0:dce:a4eb] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
14:10 < kanzure> https://github.com/onchipuis/
14:11 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/onchipUIS
14:26 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:26 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:4671:bbdc:d422:285b:25f2:3036] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:29 -!- augur_ [~augur@2600:380:464c:5199:a0cc:2bfb:cc28:7c3f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
14:31 -!- augur [~augur@2600:380:4671:bbdc:d422:285b:25f2:3036] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
14:32 < JayDugger> Hm. Going shopping?
14:39 -!- augur [~augur@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:40 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
14:50 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
14:59 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:03 -!- augur [~augur@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:05 < kanzure> fenn: did you have a good argument against the hedonistic imperative by any chance?
15:06 < kanzure> or er, the abolition of suffering as a primary goal
16:05 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1]
16:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:11 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:36 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:37 < kanzure> .wik snp clearinghouse
16:37 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed.
16:56 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
17:12 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:16 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
17:32 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
17:34 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:35 < jrayhawk> well, nonzero suffering is inevitable as long as anything is capable of suffering, and things that are capable of suffering grow exponentially, so the correct solution there is to kill everything as fast as possible
17:36 < jrayhawk> i am not sure if that qualifies as a "good argument against" since that's typically pretty close to the usual conclusions you come to anyway
17:38 < jrayhawk> this is one of the ironies of animal lovers who become veterinarians; they spend most of their time killing pets to end suffering
17:38 < jrayhawk> .title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266064/
17:38 < yoleaux> Suicide in veterinary medicine: Let’s talk about it
17:39 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:48 < jrayhawk> and the irony of vegans constantly attempting to depopulate the world of animals via plant agriculture
17:53 < Mathias_Mindblad>   (x, y, z, w) Now grow an edible fruit with 4d Nutrients.
17:57 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
17:59 < jrayhawk> even if we assume the coordination problem behind glassing the planet with nukes is intractable, every individual entity capable of both suffering and reproduction has a nonzero chance of nigh-infinite growth, so we wind up with nigh-infinite expected value for immediate destruction of said entity
18:12 < adlai> does a sufficiently nested bunchle of nanotubes sound like a good candidate for "shadow wire"? (in the context of Ringworld)
18:12 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-077-078.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
18:13 < jrayhawk> more generally, compassion is like horizontal gene transfer for morality; just because is correlated with good outcomes does not mean that it guarantees good outcomes, and sometimes you wind up with these sorts of moral equivalents of AIDS.
18:16 < adlai> where "bunchle" is used as a general catchall for nesting, winding, etc of individual nanotubes with more nanotubes, sheets of graphene, whatever you need to make it behave like shadow wire
18:16  * adlai is looking for candidate technologies for ringworld materials without resorting to nuclear hijinks
18:17 < adlai> it's a Good Book, btw; includes explanations of both why some idiots want to live forever, and others don't.
18:17 < adlai> and lots of killing, and a bit of whatever you call the opposite.
18:35 < adlai> alternate title for ringworld: "Much Ado About Wife Swap"
18:59 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: redlegion
19:03 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:22 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:24 < CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20180424-researchers-combine-3d-printing-and-microfluidics-in-cost-effective-method-for-preparing-bio-chips.html
19:25 < CaptHindsight> http://www.cell.com/chem/fulltext/S2451-9294(18)30042-1
19:25 < CaptHindsight> Massively Multiplexed Tip-Based Photochemical Lithography under Continuous Capillary Flow
20:00 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
20:05 < kanzure> jrayhawk: well, i mean, overfocus on suffering seems like a maladaptive mode of thinking that isn't going to do much except argue for depression and nihilism
20:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think the anti-suffering argument is basically that voluntary suicide is the fastest means to ... crap you're right about non-proportionality.
20:09 -!- x07 [~x07@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:35 < kanzure> adlai: have you checked orionsarm.com for your ringworld candidate materials?
20:36 < kanzure> "FreeCAD has solvespace integration underway for assembly functionality, so perhaps one day FreeCAD can offer an interface to both OCCT and solvespace which could provide more flexibility."
20:39 < kanzure> music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z2yRPTkz8A
20:57 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: this never happened before and it's not happening again]
21:05 -!- x07 [~x07@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
21:11 -!- htpfrj [~x07@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:14 -!- htpfrj [~x07@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Client Quit]
21:31 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:45 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
21:46 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:00 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer]
22:01 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:04 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:07 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
22:10 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:13 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:170:b663:e167:643c] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:14 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
22:16 -!- Harid [~Harid@a89-152-170-3.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
22:35 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:36 -!- maaku [~maaku@173.234.25.100] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in]
22:44 -!- maaku [~maaku@173.234.25.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:29 -!- CandleGlow|2 [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:29 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has quit [Disconnected by services]
23:32 < adlai> kanzure: no, "I've stopped reading [wikis]; it's too unreliable" - Sensei's Wiki
23:54 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
--- Log closed Wed Apr 25 00:00:59 2018