--- Log opened Thu May 03 00:00:06 2018
00:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
01:26 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
02:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:07 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:41 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
02:54 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:55 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:03 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pahjrbkputxwfxhe] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:05 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:12 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:13 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:17 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
03:29 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
03:41 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:46 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
03:50 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:55 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
04:00 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:04 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
04:10 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:15 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
04:20 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:25 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
04:48 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:53 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
05:15 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:20 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
05:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:38 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.159.34.15] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:43 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:47 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
05:58 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:10 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:14 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
06:18 -!- maaku [~maaku@173.234.25.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
06:19 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
06:37 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:41 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
07:00 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:04 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:04 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has quit [Quit: ...and all my responses they stay the same.]
07:08 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
07:32 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:37 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
07:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
07:42 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:59 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:03 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
08:23 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:24 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:26 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:31 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
08:40 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:52 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
08:53 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:54 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@173-9-124-61-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:57 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
09:16 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
09:20 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:1429:e6e9:e9d:ad84] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:21 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:21 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@173-9-124-61-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:25 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
09:28 < fenn> .title http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-43957874
09:28 < yoleaux> David Goodall: Scientist, 104, begins trip to end his life - BBC News
09:28 < fenn> so suicide is cool when elderly people do it
09:29 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:29 < fenn> how many lives could he save by donating that money instead
09:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
09:30 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
09:31 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:32 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:44 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:48 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
09:49 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:50 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:51 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
09:52 -!- maaku [~maaku@173.234.25.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:55 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
10:00 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:05 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
10:10 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:11 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:14 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
10:20 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:25 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
10:30 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:35 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
10:40 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
10:48 < kanzure> fenn: in fact, some murderous people would be happy to off him for free! it's an efficient market and win-win.
10:50 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:55 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
11:00 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:05 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
11:07 < kanzure> apparently hessel has been credited as inspiring a current tv show? https://fansided.com/2018/05/02/crossings-co-showrunner-dan-dworkin-talks-inspirations/
11:08 < kanzure> geeze this is old https://www.singularityweblog.com/andrew-hessel-on-singularity-1-on-1-dont-fear-synthetic-biology/
11:09 < kanzure> "High-resolution mapping of DNA polymerase fidelity using nucleotide imbalances and next-generation sequencing" https://academic.oup.com/nar/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nar/gky296/4990018
11:09 < kanzure> "DNA polymerase fidelity is affected by both intrinsic properties and environmental conditions. Current strategies for measuring DNA polymerase error rate in vitro are constrained by low error subtype sensitivity, poor scalability, and lack of flexibility in types of sequence contexts that can be tested. We have developed the Magnification via Nucleotide Imbalance Fidelity (MagNIFi) assay, a ...
11:09 < kanzure> ...scalable next-generation sequencing assay that uses a biased deoxynucleotide pool to quantitatively shift error rates into a range where errors are frequent and hence measurement is robust, while still allowing for accurate mapping to error rates under typical conditions. This assay is compatible with a wide range of fidelity-modulating conditions, and enables high-throughput analysis of ...
11:09 < kanzure> ...sequence context effects on base substitution and single nucleotide deletion fidelity using a built-in template library. We validate this assay by comparing to previously established fidelity metrics, and use it to investigate neighboring sequence-mediated effects on fidelity for several DNA polymerases. Through these demonstrations, we establish the MagNIFi assay for robust, high-throughput ...
11:09 < kanzure> ...analysis of DNA polymerase fidelity."
11:09 < kanzure> (just published)
11:10 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:10 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/CremeDeLaCrypto/status/991822378584834048
11:10 < yoleaux> @KLoaec @breakingbitcoin @build_on_btc But if @kanzure is speaking, who will transcribe?! 🙁 Looks like a great event. (@CremeDeLaCrypto, in reply to tw:991640613866139653)
11:11 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/991804033009618944
11:11 < yoleaux> My guess is that @DNAScript is using an engineered TdT enzyme for DNA synthesis, just like everyone else. #GPwrite (@kanzure)
11:11 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/DNAScript/status/992084214563721222
11:11 < yoleaux> @kanzure Our belief is that engineering of polymerases is the most important work to do for enzymatic DNA synthesis, and that @DNAScript is not doing it like everyone else 😉 (@DNAScript, in reply to tw:991804033009618944)
11:11 < kanzure> shit...
11:13 < yashgaroth> they didn't really deny it
11:14 < kanzure> uhh looks like twitter scammers have started using my name to promote their spam scams https://twitter.com/kanzuzre/status/992104446959276032
11:15 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
11:20 < kanzure> what https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8ggrdi/an_incredible_tweet_storm_about_bitcoin_its/dyd7rkm/
11:20 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:25 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
11:30 < kanzure> portugal conference thing https://building-on-bitcoin.com/
11:44 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
11:48 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:53 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
12:02 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdyjvyzqxtdeiksh] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:15 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pahjrbkputxwfxhe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
12:20 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
12:43 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:47 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
13:10 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:14 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
13:31 < kanzure> "metreon cascade's suggestion was to take stem cells from somewhere in the body, dedifferentiate to iPSCs, transfect with plasmid, differentiate the cells into spermatogonial progenitor cells, inject into the testes, and then the transgenic cells will (somehow) kill and replace all the other cells."
13:33 < yashgaroth> of all the pseudonyms...
13:37 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:42 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
13:43 < fenn> nmz787: single laser pulse fabrication of holographic optics https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acsnano.5b03165
13:44 < fenn> i wonder why holographic lenses like this aren't already being used in cell phones
13:59 < nmz787> fenn: IP likely
14:00 < nmz787> fenn: I thought I recently read something about a commercialized metalense appearing in some new cell phone, I want to say this year or next
14:02 < fenn> it's unclear to me how far you can extend this concept
14:02 < fenn> can you just image an entire lens assembly and stick it directly to the sensor?
14:03 < fenn> the lens image would be floating in front of the sensor
14:04 < fenn> surely if someone patented this it would have been in the 1970s
14:04 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:07 < nmz787> well in the 70s they probably lacked good mathematical models, or fine-enough lithography or something
14:08 < fenn> there's no lithography, it's all optics and film
14:08 < nmz787> I mean, e-beam litho existed, but it surely wouldn't have been at a commercializable price point (it barely is today, for mask making)
14:08 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
14:09 < nmz787> well they 6ns pulse seems pretty short, idk what they were doing in the 70s
14:09 < fenn> i don't mean the ablative method, just general holographic optics
14:09 < nmz787> "The first laser was built in 1960"
14:09 < nmz787> oh
14:10 < fenn> just make a hologram of a lens
14:10 < nmz787> are all holograms just diffractive optics?
14:10 < fenn> uh, if you look close enough
14:10 < nmz787> or are some physically planar, but differing in chemical composition?
14:11 < fenn> in film, some of the emulsion droplets have black stuff in them and some don't
14:15 < fenn> a few atoms of metallic silver on each silver halide grain
14:15 < nmz787> hmm, so still essentially diffractive I guess
14:16 < fenn> yeah
14:16 < nmz787> just not air-media in between the silver
14:16 < fenn> you can see short parallel black lines if you look at it under a microscope
14:17 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:21 -!- Yessir [5160ebd5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.96.235.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:26 < fenn> heh heh "All-Optical Machine Learning Using Diffractive Deep Neural Networks"
14:26 < fenn> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.08711
14:26 < yoleaux> [1804.08711] All-Optical Machine Learning Using Diffractive Deep Neural Networks
14:28 -!- Yessir [5160ebd5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.96.235.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
14:32 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:36 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
14:36 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyfibjcladwyqlcb] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:42 < fenn> .title http://www.opticsinfobase.org/boe/abstract.cfm?uri=boe-2-9-2721
14:42 < yoleaux> OSA | Field-portable reflection and transmission microscopy based on lensless holography
14:42 < fenn> DOI:10.1364/BOE.2.002721
14:45 < fenn> i dont think this has any holographic lenses, but it's still interesting
14:59 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:02 < nmz787> hmm, yeah that microscope looks pretty neat, seems like they might have just used a green laser pointer
15:03 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:06 < fenn> green has 1064 nm light mixed in, which might show up on the sensor and complicate your calculations
15:14 < nmz787> could be why their images have some noise, idk
15:14 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- beka [~beka@199-241-201-187.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
15:47 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdyjvyzqxtdeiksh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
15:54 < kanzure> blargh x2
15:57 < nmz787> x3
15:58 < kanzure> bonus multiplier? i'll allow this.
16:24 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@104-185-77-31.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:24 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@104-185-77-31.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host]
16:24 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:25 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:26 < streety> Busy day, just catching up ...
16:26 < streety> fenn, regarding the assisted suicide plans of David Goodall, is the question about how many lives could be saved by donating the costs instead one we want to consider? Seems like it could take a very dark turn very quickly.
16:26 < streety> regarding metreon cascade's suggestion isn't the point of iPSCs that you don't need stem cells to start with? Any adult cell can be used?
16:28 -!- cpc26_ [~cpc26@2600:1700:f90:4320:19a2:da3c:8cd7:94a0] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
16:29 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
16:32 < yashgaroth> the benefit is that random somatic cells probably have more accumulated mutations, which get carried on to any tissue you differentiate from the iPSCs
16:34 < yashgaroth> best to start with a cell that hasn't been exposed to too much damage
16:47 < streety> fair enough
16:47 < streety> I wonder if we need a more specific term
17:04 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyfibjcladwyqlcb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
17:08 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.159.34.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:13 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:17 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
17:40 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:48 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
17:49 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:59 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
18:02 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
18:03 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:08 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsiyhlbdcgjbbtit] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:28 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
18:48 < adlai> i thought assisted suicide cults fell under the politics banhammer?
18:52 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:53 < kanzure> except whereunder it is considered speculation about mass extinction of human populations, e.g. bioweaponary
18:55 < adlai> have you read Inferno yet, kanzure ? i'd be interested to hear your counter to my criticism
18:58 < adlai> since it doesn't seem to be in the logs yet: zobrist's virus is rather, uh... stupid
18:58 < adlai> there are so many better ways to achieve the same goal.
18:59 < adlai> "better" both in terms of likely cost (and i'm not talking dollars, but chance of success for a given viral encounter), and in terms of JUSTICE
18:59 < adlai> but it's scifi masquerading as poplit, so i guess it's allowed to be suboptimal
19:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
19:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:13 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:17 < kanzure> who comes up with this shit "Those who call themselves humanists are estimated to number between four and five million people worldwide."
19:17 < kanzure> .wik secular humanism
19:17 < yoleaux> "Secular humanism is a philosophy or life stance that embraces human reason, ethics, social justice, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the bases of morality and decision making." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
19:18 < adlai> what's the difference between a spaceist and a being?
19:18  * adlai is not implying that people who choose to dress like other people expect them to dress, are less whatever you think
19:20 < adlai> but joking aside, kanzure, i do think that there's a delineable line between "politics is offtopic" and not caring about consequences. how much you care about intended versus un is of course your problem.
19:21 < kanzure> basically everyone is terrible at politics and you're welcome to violate any rule but if your violation sucks then don't expect me to ride to your rescue
19:27 < jrayhawk> sometimes kanzure invites philosophical conversation and i always wonder if it's some sort of trap
19:28 < fenn> it would be good to have a handbook of philosophical traps with which to snare the unwary
19:29 < jrayhawk> maybe eventually stockholm syndrome will set in and i will just find the threat of banning endearing
19:29 < fenn> i didn't realize assisted suicide was still politics
19:29 < fenn> it's been legal for decades now
19:29 < JayDugger> Try the LessWrong wiki.
19:29 < fenn> isn't that just philosophy?
19:30 -!- beka [~beka@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
19:30 < kanzure> i think philosophical traps would just end up highlighting various psychological problems/disabilities in whoever you are talking to
19:30 < fenn> i just want a clever set of arguments that results in people doing important things instead of contemplating the nature of identity or whatever
19:30 < kanzure> have you considered a clever fist to the head to convince them..?
19:31 < fenn> like a call center script really
19:31 < JayDugger> No, fenn. That was a joke.
19:31 < kanzure> i'm still not sure if my brainwashing technique was actually something that worked
19:31 < kanzure> or if that was just collective delusion and selection effects
19:36 < kanzure> fenn: i think a moral purpose is something that is severely lacking (and actual realistic steps to achieve that moral vision); sitting around waiting for gene therapy to work is not really an exciting vision of the future.
19:36 < kanzure> or er, exciting way to engage with the future
19:49 -!- formsdothis[m] [formsdothi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tnumnyghelypwrwg] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:57 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
20:29 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:33 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:34 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:34 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:39 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:58 < adlai> brainwashing is disinformation, teach your kids to drink.
21:07 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:1429:e6e9:e9d:ad84] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:10 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: *exhales sharply*]
21:16 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
21:41 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:42 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:57 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:59 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-102-074-205.188.102.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
22:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nsh
22:21 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:22 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:24 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
22:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:40 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
22:41 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:58 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving]
23:06 -!- namespace [user@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe7b:227f] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in]
23:07 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:12 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
--- Log closed Fri May 04 00:00:07 2018