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06:49 < kanzure> hmph
06:54 < kanzure> https://neopg.io/blog/pass-signature-spoof/
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08:42 < ebowden> nmz787, one thing CEBL could do is completely revitalise the use of mask ROM.
08:44 < ebowden> And allow it to be used at considerably lower process nodes, much cheaper.
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11:11 < fenn> ebowden: how much data could you fit on say a 30mm wafer?
11:12 < ebowden> No idea. However, at equivalent process nodes, mask ROM is the densest silicon memory.
11:12 < ebowden> The biggest gains, however, would be from layering.
11:14 < ebowden> Although, I guess it would be hard to actually call it mask ROM. Pretty sure that the actual data is programmed with the line cuts, which would be done with e-beam lithography in CEBL. (The lines themselves are done with regular optical litho.)
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12:49 < fenn> what about buying pre-etched silicon wafers/discs and writing them in your "EVD" drive
12:51 < fenn> can an e-beam lithography setup fit in a 5.25" drive bay?
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15:28 < kanzure> who? what?
15:35 < kanzure> "Enzymatic DNA synthesis for digital information storage" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/06/16/348987
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15:45 < kanzure> looks like church is almost aware of my dna data storage technique
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17:30 < fenn> 1 bit per nucleotide... pretty good
17:31 < fenn> not a very important metric, but still surprising to see something so close to the theoretical limit
17:33 < fenn> not sure what is the point of addressing each byte
17:38 < fenn> washing nucleotide solutions over your enzyme is a very low bit rate writing method
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19:48 < kanzure> "But now, a 557 base DNA switch that turns female embryos into males has been located on the Y chromosome. The switch is located half a million bases away from the sox9 gene, which is known to kick-start the development of the testes. However, looping of the chromosome means that the switch is brought into contact with sox9 to activate it."
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20:33 < kanzure> yashgaroth: how about a perma-activated sox9 product
20:35 < yashgaroth> I feel like that would fuck up a lot of other stuff
20:36 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329345
20:36 < kanzure> http://m.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/no-copyright-law-the-real-reason-for-germany-s-industrial-expansion-a-710976.html
20:36 < yoleaux> No Copyright Law the Real Reason for Germany's Industrial Expansion? (2010) | Hacker News
20:46 < kanzure> hmm "nano song" was delisted and removed on youtube
20:46 < kanzure> the thing from 2009
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23:49 < nmz787> fenn: ebowden for any massive amount of data, the limitation becomes beam time (I know because I work for norsam.com which has a patent for data storage with FIB)
23:51 < nmz787> ebowden: I guess if you removed some vacuum-beam time with optical litho, that might save some time
23:52 < nmz787> (in the vacuum chamber, which is expensive time-wise... like $375/hr expensive (including a tool operator))
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