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(www.adiirc.com)] 03:26 -!- karkomah [~0x@a94-132-223-187.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:40 -!- karkomah [~0x@a94-132-223-187.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:42 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:53 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:57 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17415900 03:57 < yoleaux> Show HN: DeepSpeech based automated transcription service | Hacker News 03:58 < kanzure> https://scribie.com/blog/2018/03/continual-learning-for-speech-to-text/ 03:59 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/wtogami/status/1012649392178790401 04:01 < yoleaux> Note: LN could be better protected in the future with HSM's that only sign state changes if the balance increases. The cost of personal HSM's keeps going down. I've personally built little appliances on capable hardware like usbarmory or RPi, could be adapted to be such signers. https://twitter.com/wtogami/status/1012647249912815616 (@wtogami) 04:01 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1012652198122151936 04:01 < yoleaux> @wtogami What about some sort of scheme for pre-signing future transactions all in one batch, and slowly releasing those transactions over time? Some sort of upfront one-batch HSM signing. (@kanzure, in reply to tw:1012649392178790401) 04:07 -!- karkomah [~0x@a94-132-223-187.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:37 < kanzure> talk submission deadline coming up for scalingbitcoin 2018 https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=scalebit18 https://tokyo2018.scalingbitcoin.org/#cfp 04:51 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=df82c976 Bryan Bishop: ideas around skin color genetics >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 05:04 < ebowden_> https://youtu.be/s8NBwxJf4Rs 05:06 < kanzure> "Physiological factors that regulate skin pigmentation" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793097/ 05:06 < kanzure> welp... "More than 150 genes have been identified that affect skin color either directly or indirectly" 05:09 < kanzure> well it seems like albinism is pretty simple, that should be good enough for now 05:12 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 < kanzure> oh i see, some researchers generate transgenic mice that are coat color-tagged. that's cute. hm. 05:21 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:21 < streety> good enough? Good enough if albinism is avoided? 05:25 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=25024965 Bryan Bishop: various ideas for easy skin color engineering >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 05:28 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:28 < kanzure> looks like optical development needs melanin and maybe even melanocytes, so any albinism should solely be targeted to the epidermis or something 05:29 < kanzure> streety: someone asked me about skin color genetic engineering (specifically lightening) 05:34 -!- jtimon [~quassel@40.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:46 < kanzure> “What Catalog does, instead, is cheaply generate large quantities of just a few different DNA molecules, none longer than 30 base pairs. Then it uses billions of enzymatic reactions to encode information into the recombination patterns of those prefab bits of DNA. Instead of mapping one bit to one base pair, bits are arranged in multidimensional matrices, and sets of molecules represent ... 05:46 < kanzure> ...their locations in each matrix.” 05:46 < kanzure> https://www.wired.com/story/the-rise-of-dna-data-storage/ 05:46 < kanzure> that's actually not what i was expecting catalog to be doing. oh well. 06:01 < streety> even specifically in the skin I thought the incidence of skin cancer was also higher 06:03 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.242.203.53] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:12 < kanzure> presumably that's due to exposure to the local star 06:13 < kanzure> which is generally not recommended 06:16 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:23 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 < fenn> scattering causes light skin color, otherwise you would look like a piece of shrink wrapped brisket 06:37 < fenn> i haven't found any references, but i expect people with lighter skin tones (instead of pinkish skin) to have higher collagen content 06:38 < fenn> dark circles under the eyes are caused by increased blood volume (thus higher blood pressure) and less collagen 06:38 < kanzure> all-natural mascara 06:38 < fenn> usually makeup is to cover that up 06:39 < kanzure> oh 06:39 < kanzure> raccoon eyes tho 06:56 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- karkomah [~0x@a94-132-223-187.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:25 -!- Br0lin [~bandit@91.252.102.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:34 -!- redlegion [~x@gateway/tor-sasl/redlegion] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:43 < heath> friend of mine is tryin to raise $50k to $100k by August to create a graphene production startup. if you know of anyone 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It's so convoluted and poorly designed (and untested) that it would be more expensive to fix it than to start from scratch 21:03 < maaku> justanotheruser: any thoughts for starting from scratch? 21:04 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.242.203.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 < justanotheruser> not sure what you're asking 21:04 < maaku> I wonder if you feel it is the software architecture that is poorly designed or the UI/UX (or both)? 21:05 < justanotheruser> the UX seems fine tbh 21:05 < maaku> And if you were to redo, what major changes would you make, beyond the obvious "less buggy" etc. 21:11 < justanotheruser> There should be a way of representing the state of the system that isn't dependent on the representation of the view. It should use already available, preferrably open source, chemistry models so it doesn't end up having poorly defined and buggy models which are scrapped together. There should be a clear structure to the program, I tried to define what parts of the program did what, but that was an 21:11 < justanotheruser> exercise in futility because most modules did multiple things https://hastebin.com/raw/jotosewefu 21:26 < justanotheruser> let me know if you plan on working on NE1, I have done most of the work of moving it to python3 and PyQt5. It's still a garbled mess though and I don't think I can expand on it much beyond that in the way it's structured 21:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@40.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32 < nmz787> justanotheruser: can you start adding tests? 21:33 < nmz787> if things are too spaghetti, it might be hard if not impossible... but you might discover some things along the way to unspaghetti 21:33 < nmz787> and then test something else 21:34 < nmz787> justanotheruser: where is your branch? 21:34 < nmz787> https://github.com/jeenalee/bin-to-dna 21:34 < nmz787> .title 21:34 < yoleaux> GitHub - jeenalee/bin-to-dna: Encoding Algorithm described by Bornholt et al. in "A DNA-Based Archival Storage System". 21:35 < nmz787> justanotheruser: man that's a ton of files :o 21:37 < justanotheruser> nmz787: I could add tests, however then I would have a well tested garbled mess. There are so many things wrong with it that I think the best way to go forward is go through the feature set, reimplement the models with test cases. Then clean up the front end from their code and put it on top. 21:39 < justanotheruser> messaged you the branch 21:39 < justanotheruser> I guess my stalker isn't in here at the moment, but better safe than sorry 21:40 -!- lewl [~lewl@2606:6000:6087:f00:6996:8305:9e49:da47] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 < justanotheruser> interesting link btw. Any idea how much redundancy is necessary for error correction? 21:42 < justanotheruser> whois nmz787 21:44 -!- lewl [~lewl@2606:6000:6087:f00:6996:8305:9e49:da47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44 < nmz787> redundancy is going to depend on the specific writing and reading system 21:44 < nmz787> so it will vary depending on implementation 21:50 < justanotheruser> I'm not familiar with the error rate from reading, writing and persisting data in dna 21:50 < nmz787> the actual molecules are pretty hardy 21:50 < nmz787> and dried even hardier, like decades or centurues hardy 21:50 < nmz787> so it's all up to the R/W tech implementation 22:15 -!- lewl [~lewl@cpe-104-172-229-250.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:15 -!- lewl [~lewl@cpe-104-172-229-250.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15 -!- lewl [~lewl@2606:6000:6087:f00:64f1:7eaf:ae77:ac10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:20 -!- lewl [~lewl@2606:6000:6087:f00:64f1:7eaf:ae77:ac10] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:34 -!- lewl [~lewl@cpe-104-172-229-250.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:39 -!- lewl [~lewl@cpe-104-172-229-250.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:40 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:c5f:58c2:a1f9:bf8e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41 -!- lewl [~lewl@cpe-104-172-229-250.socal.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:47 < ebowden_> nmz787, is solarnetone's machine an ethene/ethyne detonation machine that produces graphene powder with repeated blasts 22:47 < ebowden_> nmz787, is solarnetone's machine an ethene/ethyne detonation machine that produces graphene powder with repeated blasts? 23:23 -!- kershaw[m] [kershawmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bbwfdiohtwfxvjuf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:23 -!- formsdothis[m] [formsdothi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qrmbwasqlhxcdwgo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:23 -!- entity8421[m] [entity8421@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-syyjzyxlzmmukcaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:23 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:24 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has quit [Quit: ...and all my responses they stay the same.] 23:41 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Jun 30 00:00:00 2018