--- Log opened Tue Sep 04 00:00:59 2018
00:10 < fenn> in 1948 genetics was officially declared "a bourgeois pseudoscience", all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested) and all research into genetics was discontinued.
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00:24 < fenn> has anyone read "Sociobiology" by E. O. Wilson?
00:25 < fenn> i am wondering whether or not it's a complete waste of time
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04:31 < kanzure> sounds like the article also assumes that transhumanists were effective
04:38 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ecbe59c9 Bryan Bishop: trivial changes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/biohacktheplanet/2018/day-two/
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06:03 < archels> fenn: were we chatting about magsafe connectors?
06:04 < archels> my £9.95 adapter cable/connector assembly just failed after 1 month of use
06:05 < archels> as goes without saying, it was designed to fail --> https://imgur.com/a/JDpcvVp
06:06 < archels> you can see precisely where the negative cable has frayed and is making a short with the positive (just to the left of the PCB)
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07:22 < kanzure> "Liberal radicalism: Formal rules for a society neutral among communities" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3243656 https://twitter.com/glenweyl/status/1036796785254166528
07:22 < kanzure> not sure what that is or its quality. so perhaps ignore.
07:23 < kanzure> "A guide to simple and informative binding assays" https://www.molbiolcell.org/doi/10.1091/mbc.e10-08-0683#.W45B0yGhoH8.twitter
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07:25 < kanzure> rapid prototyping thingy for yeast genome engineering http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2472630318798304?journalCode=jlad
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07:27 < kanzure> .wik third eye drops
07:27 < yoleaux> "The nictitating membrane (from Latin nictare, to blink) is a transparent or translucent third eyelid present in some animals that can be drawn across the eye from the medial canthus for protection and to moisten it while maintaining vision." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nictitating_membrane
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08:28 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17907506
08:28 < yoleaux> Radical open-access plan could spell end to journal subscriptions | Hacker News
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08:31 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17907654
08:32 < yoleaux> Reboot Your Dreamliner Every 248 Days to Avoid Integer Overflow | Hacker News
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08:41 < kanzure> http://devonzuegel.com/post/why-is-flaking-so-widespread-in-san-francisco
08:49 < fenn> how did you end up on that blog btw
08:50 < kanzure> hacker news
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09:08 < maaku> fenn: the guy I was talking about was Paul Spudis, who passed away last week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Spudis
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09:13 < maaku> fenn: but the guy who specifically articulated the "planet hopping strategy" of 4 km/s d-v fuel depots is Jeff Greason, who sat on the Augustine commision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Greason
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09:14 < maaku> he gave a keynote talk in 2011 that explained the idea really well : http://space.nss.org/isdc-2011-video-jeff-greason-keynote-address-a-settlement-strategy-for-nasa/
09:14 < maaku> transcript (to save kanzure's fingers): http://space.nss.org/media/A-Settlement-Strategy-for-NASA-Greason-ISDC-2011.pdf
09:15 < fenn> i really liked greason's talk about possibilities opened up by the plasma magnet sail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVOtrAnIxM
09:15 < maaku> Paul Spudis was an op-ed columnist and space-policy-lobbyist-free-agent who pushed to make these things really happen and align support for commercial space within NASA, congress, and executive branch
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09:17 < maaku> Wow how did I not know about that one. Bookmarked.
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09:17 < maaku> fenn: http://www.spudislunarresources.com
09:18 < fenn> .title
09:18 < yoleaux> Spudis Lunar Resources - SLR
09:18 < fenn> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93pX9_7vYb0
09:18 < yoleaux> Dipole Drive for space propulsion | Robert Zubrin at Breakthrough Discuss 2018 - YouTube
09:18 < maaku> I just wrote a note to myself to scrape that site in case it bit rots
09:18 < fenn> the dipole drive is a related concept that somehow nobody had thought of until 2018 despite it's absurd obviousness
09:20 < maaku> .title https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/leag2016/presentations/Tuesday/Spudis.pdf
09:20 < yoleaux> maaku: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
09:21 < maaku> " A New Architecture to Explore the Potential of Lunar Resource Utilization, 1 Nov. 2016"
09:21 < maaku> fenn: efficiency of the dipole drive goes up the more we use chemical rockets too :)
09:22 < fenn> heh
09:25 < maaku> although the solar wind probably strips the inner solar system of chemical exhaust pretty quickly. someone ought to do something about that :\
09:26 < maaku> del "inner"
09:26 < fenn> the solar wind is 1000 times better than any chemical exhaust
09:26 < maaku> point
09:26 < fenn> 500km/s "exhaust velocity"
09:27 < fenn> and propellant free impulse
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09:49 < maaku> btw I recently started reading "Artimis" by Andy Weir. good contrast to "The Martian" in terms of what space exploration/settlement should look like
09:50 < maaku> more Las Vegas than British Navy polar explorers
09:51 < maaku> er, "Artemis"
09:52 < maaku> also, this should be required for any systems engineer, even outside of aerospace:
09:52 < maaku> .title https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronautics-and-astronautics/16-885j-aircraft-systems-engineering-fall-2005/video-lectures/
09:52 < yoleaux> Video Lectures | Aircraft Systems Engineering | Aeronautics and Astronautics | MIT OpenCourseWare
09:53 < maaku> special course at MIT in 2005 on systems engineering with the Space Shuttle as the case example
09:54 < maaku> taught by Jeff Hoffman (most prolific shuttle pilot) and Aaron Cohen (space shuttle program manager)
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10:32 < fenn> i queued spudislunarresources.com for archival with archivebot which will eventually put it and pages it links to (crawled to some depth) in the wayback machine; so far it's got 2GB with 20,000 links to go and growing...
10:35 < fenn> somehow all the links are highly relevant
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12:13 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17910632
12:13 < yoleaux> UPDuino: a $9.99 FPGA | Hacker News
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12:36 < kanzure> .title https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37064?hl=en
12:36 < yoleaux> Use Google Calendar in different time zones - Computer - Calendar Help
12:46 < kanzure> extensive notes from an audio interview https://peterattiamd.com/dawallach/   more interviews should be like this.  content i disagree with a bit, but the effort is to be commended.
13:00 < Jay_Dugger> Thank you for OCW link, maaku.
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14:48 < kanzure> https://www.mirusbio.com/products/labeling/label-it-nucleic-acid-labeling-reagents
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16:48 < fltrz> I don't think that dipole drive can work, it hinges on the assumption that the electric field outside of the sail is 0...
16:50 < fltrz> which can only be assured by adding an extra plane of charge on each side negating the net effect
16:52 < fltrz> the positive screen is positive because it has more net protons than electrons, the negative screen is negative because it has more net electrons than protons
16:54 < fltrz> so for simplified analysis you can replace the left screen with a single proton and the right screen with a single electron, and both are held at a fixed distance. then an ambient proton would push the sail device to gently to the right as long as it is to the left of the sail, then pushes the sail strongly to the left while it passes the sail, then pushes the sail gently to the right again as now the sail electron is closer than
16:54 < fltrz> the sail protonn
16:55 < fltrz> so there is no net momentum change
16:57 < fltrz> if we ignore the electric field outside of the device it *seems* like the ambient proton will be accelerated to the right (and by action-reaction the sail to the left)
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16:58 < fltrz> but it is the direct result of ignoring the small field over a large distance range, and only acknowledging the strong field over a short distance
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17:17 < fltrz> the only way I can see a net thrust is by viscosity of the plasma: a "helicopter" in water is more efficient than a helicopter in air, which in turn is more efficient than a helicopter at high altitude
17:21 < fltrz> the problem is not just this, the description of the dipole drive does not describe how the power is transformed into work: it only specifiec holding the sails at a voltage, but without consumption of current no power is applied. and if their *is* consumption of current the description does not clarify it
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18:56 < pasky_> hmm, perhaps https://betalist.com/startups/blocknify-for-individuals might be finally a new meaningful use of blockchain for once?
19:05 < kanzure> if i click this and need a new kidney as a result of reading it, will you make all the payments?
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19:06 < kanzure> "When you sign a document, we create a Smart Contract, which defines who is allowed to sign and holds their signature to create a permanent record that not even us can modify or delete."
19:06 < kanzure> okay.. so you are publishing signatures of hashes... but why not store those locally?
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20:40 < kanzure> meanwhile... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd4CUxX0RIg
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21:25 < kanzure> music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEFuaQU1GC8&t=31m50s
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