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03:03 < maaku> fltrz: I mean that PoS schemes select signers deterministically from history (there is no other choice), an adversary can enumerate possible histories which leave them (or their sybil) as the next signer.
03:04 < maaku> Thus *any* PoS scheme reduces to PoW of adversaries competing to maintain a monopoly in their defeat of it.
03:04 < maaku> All PoS schemes reduce to PoW under adversarial circumstances. QED.
03:05 < maaku> Claiming otherwise is like saying 2 + 2 = 5. /end
03:07 < maaku> In quackery there is this phenomenon where the schemes being described, whether for actual perpetual motion machines, free energy, or proof-of-stake consensus, respond to critiques by adding complexity
03:08 < maaku> until the system is too complex for experts to spend their free time charitably debunking.
03:09 < maaku> thus you end up with complex systems claiming such amazing achievements. but don't mistake lack of published criticism for peer review
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07:13 < kanzure> "Current challenges in nucleic acid synthesis" https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ijch.201300032
07:19 < kanzure> anders sandberg will be speaking in SF on friday september 14 at 399 webster street on "dissolving the fermi paradox"
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08:40 < fltrz> maaku, there is a difference between deterministic and precomputable (i.e. I can not precompute your deterministic signature, but I can verify your deterministic signature after you send it to me))
08:52 < fltrz> so I assumed your problem was with the problem that anyone who knows the random token Qr in advance by k blocks (either by corrupted genesis, or by regulatory capture) can bruteforce for low-hanging signing keys
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09:26 < kanzure> "Human-like Cmah inactivation in mice increases running endurance and decreases muscle fatigability: implications for human evolution" http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/285/1886/20181656
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09:27 < kanzure> "CMAH loss contributes to an improved skeletal muscle capacity for oxygen use. If translatable to humans, CMAH loss could have provided a selective advantage for ancestral Homo during the transition from forest dwelling to increased resource exploration and hunter/gatherer behaviour in the open savannah"
09:53 < nmz787> huh, this Maravai company bought both Glen Research and this TriLink company
09:54 < nmz787> https://www.maravai.com/press/2017/12/28/gtcr-and-maravai-complete-acquisitions-of-trilink-biotechnologies-and-cygnus-technologies
09:54 < nmz787> https://www.maravai.com/press/2017/12/28/maravai-lifesciences-and-gtcr-acquire-glen-research-corporation
09:55 < nmz787> and interestingly that GTCR seems like the acronym I couldn't remember, of the collaborator that Luis Ceze said he proposed to IARPA (along with Microsoft and Twist)
09:55 < kanzure> wasn't aware glen research was interested in selling
09:56 < nmz787> hmm, GTCR seems to be investors
09:56 < nmz787> not sure they are the right company I was searching for
09:57 < nmz787> seems unlikely to be a partner on a proposal... unless really really suck at business
09:57 < nmz787> unless (I) really really suck at biz
10:10 < nmz787> kanzure: no notes from this morning?
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11:31 < kanzure> from what?
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13:26 < nmz787> kanzure: wasn't there a GP-write meeting this morning?
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