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03:11 < FourFire> Hey kanzure may I bounce some cryptocurrency concepts off you in regards to feasibility, or would you recommend someone else for that?
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09:11 < kanzure> FourFire: fine.
09:12 < kanzure> fltrz: yes, remixes of open access articles are usually allowed by their copyright licenses
09:12 < kanzure> fltrz: for the love of all that is computationally good, call it pdfdebloat not pdfbloat
09:12 < FourFire> kanzure, Can you list all of the proof of ____ cryptocurrency schemes you know of?
09:13 < kanzure> no that's a long list; a bunch of them are stupid too. most of them are stupid.
09:13 < kanzure> there's a few listed here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/
09:13 < FourFire> I know of Proof of Work, Proof of Stake, Proof of RAM, Proof of Disk space.
09:13 < FourFire> Is there a proof of bandwidth currency?
09:14 < FourFire> That is: proof of having delivered bandwidth between two other nodes ?
09:14 < kanzure> there is no way to prove bandwidth delivery
09:14 < kanzure> in adversarial environments
09:15 < FourFire> There's no way to prevent someone sticking 64 RPIs in a box with a switch?
09:16 < FourFire> I'm not convinced this problem is impossible to solve, but everything I want to say depends on a practical solution existing.
09:17 < FourFire> I'm interested in monetizing mesh networks
09:17 < FourFire> Rewarding people for building out internet infrastructure which is actually used by other nodes.
09:20 < FourFire> I'm speculating right now about a scheme for determining which nodes get "mining" rewards which only considers nodes which have delivered packets to hosts new to the network, but then I'm wondering how easy MAC spoofing is.
09:21 < FourFire> The problem I'm trying to solve here is that the bitcoin network doesn't become any more instrumentally useful whether it's run on 1000 laptops or 1 000 000 supercomputer nodes, it just burns more energy.
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09:22 < FourFire> I want to investigate the possibility of a crypto who's "mining" infrastructure is useful in it's own right.
09:22 < FourFire> And mesh networks seem like a desirable solution with insufficient incentives to implement widescale.
09:25 < FourFire> kanzure, what convinces you that the 64 RPIs in a box problem is unsolvable?
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11:50 < kanzure> we should do animal selection breeding for animal survivability of heart, lung and brain death over extended periods of time.
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11:57 < kanzure> so various ischemia resistance i guess
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16:22 < kanzure> .title mirtitles.org
16:22 < yoleaux> Mir Books | Books from the Soviet Era
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18:39 < kanzure> yashgaroth: show me interesting things
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21:38 < yashgaroth> nihil novum sub sole
21:40 < nmz787> ?
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21:47 < yashgaroth> per bryan's previous question
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