--- Log opened Sat Dec 22 00:00:58 2018
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08:09 < nsh> most people don't know maths but try convincing a helium atom to do what you want through the medium of twerking and taylor swift songs
08:09 < nsh> sign language is closer to a universal language for animals than speech
08:10 < nsh> really we should have a way of measuring the total musculature postural tension activation dynamics
08:10 < nsh> ie the "total body language" of an animal
08:11 < nsh> then with enough computes we can probably get some very rough concordances over sufficient observations
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12:01 < nmz787> nsh: just heard something similar last night about watching the tongue while it operates in the mouth, without disturbing it physically (thus altering how it operates at that time)
12:01 < nmz787> nsh: and the only answer was something like "an fMRI would work, but isn't too comfortable"
12:02 < nsh> was it you that shared the old radiative videos?
12:02 < nmz787> seems like you could throw some mice in a hamster wheel together inside an MRI
12:02 < nmz787> no I don't think so
12:02 < nsh> of speech production showing tongue movements
12:02 < nsh> hmm, thought it came from here
12:02 < nmz787> idk
12:02 < nmz787> doesn't strike me
12:02 < nsh> .title https://youtu.be/6dAEE7FYQfc
12:02 < yoleaux> Echtzeit-MRT-Film: Sprechen - YouTube
12:03 < nsh> oh it's tomography not xrays
12:03 < nsh> but yeah being able to read the muscles EM fields directly would be amazing
12:03 < nsh> but seems out of reach for the moment
12:07 < archels> better to hook into the nerves
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12:19 < nmz787> fMRI see oxygen
12:19 < nmz787> or oxygen uptake
12:19 < nmz787> something like that
12:19 < nmz787> so you can correlate to muscle activity
12:19 < nmz787> not sure of the timescale resolution though
12:20 < nmz787> hmm https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/9101/what-is-the-limit-of-time-resolution-in-fmri
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14:38 < kanzure> use imaging-friendly tongue condom
14:39 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18740955
14:39 < yoleaux> Deformities Alarm Scientists Racing to Rewrite Animal DNA | Hacker News
14:39 < kanzure> (scaremongering)
14:52 < kanzure> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110203.gif
14:54 < kanzure> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2519
14:55 < kanzure> http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2719
14:59 < kanzure> proof-of-work http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3878
14:59 < kanzure> hmm can't find it..
15:03 < kanzure> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/progress no not this one
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15:17 < fenn> use tasty barium mouthwash
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15:25 < kanzure> where's the comic about the cavemen and it's an annoying spiel about transhumanism?
15:25 < kanzure> george church http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2125
15:30 < kanzure> dresdencodak. gosh i forgot about that.
15:31 < fenn> cavemen?
15:31 < kanzure> something something trans-siberian
15:31 < fenn> http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/
15:32 < kanzure> no it was much more preachy
15:35 < kanzure> was it phdcomics? that doesn't sound right.
15:52 < kanzure> "One exceptional case of hydrocephalus was a man whose brain shrank to a thin sheet of tissue, due to a buildup of cerebrospinal fluid in his skull. As a child, the man had a shunt, but it was removed when he was 14. In July 2007, at age 44, he went to a hospital due to mild weakness in his left leg. When doctors learned of the man's medical history, they performed a CT scan and MRI scan, and ...
15:52 < kanzure> ...were astonished to see "massive enlargement" of the lateral ventricles in the skull. Dr. Lionel Feuillet of Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille said, "The images were most unusual... the brain was virtually absent."[21] Intelligence tests showed the patient had an IQ of 75, considered "borderline intellectual functioning", just above what would be officially considered mentally challenged."
15:53 < kanzure> .wik dandy-walker syndrome
15:53 < yoleaux> "Dandy–Walker syndrome (DWS) is a rare group of congenital human brain malformations. There are three subtypes which affect multiple organs to varying degrees, but the fundamental abnormalities involve the cerebellum which controls muscle coordination." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy-walker_syndrome
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15:53 < kanzure> .wik hydranencephaly
15:53 < yoleaux> "Hydranencephaly is a condition in which the brain's cerebral hemispheres are absent to varying degrees and the remaining cranial cavity is filled with cerebrospinal fluid." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydranencephaly
15:55 < kanzure> "Brain of a white-collar worker" https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61127-1/fulltext
15:57 < kanzure> "Later, a young man with macrocephaly was referred to Lorber (Lewin, 1980). Although the boy had an IQ of 126 and had a first class honors degree in mathematics, he had “virtually no brain.” Thus, he thought, there should be a tremendous amount of redundancy or spare capacity in the brain. "
15:59 < kanzure> look at figure 1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3252565/
16:02 < kanzure> oh, retracted. hrmm.
16:03 < kanzure> "Following a series of concerns regarding the origin of images in this article, Frontiers conducted an investigation. The results of this investigation determined that, as these images formed an integral part of the article and did not originate in the authors' laboratories and were not duly attributed, the article does not meet the scientific criteria of the journal."
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17:37 < Jenda`> kanzure: smbc urgently needs fulltext in both captions and titles. It was definitely SMBC, if you mean that one that contained "Ethics has been solved in summer 2013"
17:38 < Jenda`> kanzure: https://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3717
17:54 < Jenda`> hm, tesseract OCR nearly catches to that "handwritting" font
17:56 < Jenda`> and completely fails on some
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18:03 < kanzure> i was also looking for the one about wheelbarrow genetics
18:03 < kanzure> but no that's not the other one
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