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01:00 < nmz787> really nice explanation with some easy math walkthroughs https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/thin-film-interference/
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08:16 < superkuh> Yay. sci-hub is back up.
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08:26 < kanzure> had some slowdowns yesterday
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08:35 < kanzure> "Een if he didn't use federal funds for the work, government regulations require researchers to seek approval from an ethics committee at their institution should they want to carry out clinical trials abroad."
08:35 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/SteveJoffe/status/1090949015297015808
08:35 < yoleaux> Also, this is not necessarily true. I believe that if one's involvement in human subjects activities is entirely outside one's university job, with no use of university resources, the university IRB would not have jurisdiction. Human subjects people--you agree? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyPUCbLVAAYadju.jpg (@SteveJoffe, in reply to tw:1090949012864274432)
08:40 < superkuh> Typical thinking. If you're not associated with an institution you're evil and should be stopped with violence.
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09:30 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e9fd371f Bryan Bishop: transcript: multi-hop locks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/privacy-preserving-multi-hop-locks/
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10:34 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1d698460 Bryan Bishop: state channels >> 
10:36 < l_wl> Is gnusha bot?
10:36 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b762becb Bryan Bishop: fix typo >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/htlcs-considered-harmful/
10:38 < kanzure> ys
10:38 < kanzure> yes
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10:59 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e779fa32 Bryan Bishop: add tweeter links >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/urkel-trees/
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11:11 < nsh> .wik Ellipsometry
11:11 < yoleaux> "Ellipsometry is an optical technique for investigating the dielectric properties (complex refractive index or dielectric function) of thin films. Ellipsometry measures the change of polarization upon reflection or transmission and compares it to a model." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsometry
11:11 < nsh> re: https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/thin-film-interference/
11:11 < nsh> came up today at random
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11:32 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c993da90 Bryan Bishop: transcript: ASICs >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/asics/
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11:43 < superkuh> https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822%2818%2931672-5 word pair learning by timing audio stimuli relative to slow wave sleep peaks of excitability.
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12:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a41a4fd5 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #27 from starkware-industries/master >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/stark-dex/
12:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=45bb3dd5 Bryan Bishop: transcript: proofs of space and replication >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/proofs-of-space-and-replication/
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13:22 < kanzure> "The end of donor anonymity: how genetic testing is likely to drive anonymous gamete donation out of business." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27073260
13:22 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/DebbieKennett/status/1091065445237559301
13:22 < yoleaux> @antonioregalado I wrote a paper with @ProfJoyceHarper and @danreisel back in 2016 about the end of donor anonymity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27073260 These clinics really need to change their practices and they need to inform all previous donors to expect contact from their children. (@DebbieKennett, in reply to tw:1091061411663482882)
13:23 < kanzure> hmm. well i have a few ideas about how to ensure anonymity. you could spam databases (like 23andme) with other related genomes, making the cost of finding the needle in the haystick higher.
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13:59 < nsh> in a scifi novel, maybe docorew or maybe stephenson or egan or something there was an entity called the "Friends of Privacy" or some such
13:59 < nsh> who made it their mission to inject a bunch of flak into public records to ameleorate the loss of privacy and anonymity from the internet learning too much PII about people
13:59 < nsh> haven't really tried to assess how viable this would be in practice
14:00 < nsh> s/flak/chaff/
14:00 < nsh> it was Vernor Vinge and the novel was Rainbows End
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14:38 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=82e023f4 Bryan Bishop: transcript: formal verification >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/formal-verification/
14:41 < nsh> a talk on formal verification should mention sub-turing languages really
14:41 < nsh> because that's kinda the only way to achieve it
14:41 < nsh> but nobody is keen to acknowledge this
14:41 < nsh> so let's talk about the ethereum virtual machine instead
14:41 < nsh> the epitome of doing it right that it is
14:42 < nsh> "But to define a formal method by which you can exhaustively check against all of these things that could go wrong with an application in a distributed setting, I think that's difficult to make formal tools to do."
14:42 < nsh> unless you make it not difficult
14:43 < nsh> which turns out to be... not difficult
14:43 < nsh> you just have up your stupid world computer moonshine completeness
14:43  * nsh sighs
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14:46 < kanzure> yea not the best formal verification talk i've attended
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15:31 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ce9e049f Bryan Bishop: transcript: miniscript >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/miniscript/
15:31 < nsh> i would have been embarrassed to be in the audience (but i have a stronger than average sympathetic cringe reflex)
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15:50 < nsh> .title https://fits.gsfc.nasa.gov/fits_wcs.html
15:50 < yoleaux> FITS WCS Page
15:50 < nsh> but also
15:50 < nsh> .title https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/print/11001
15:50 < yoleaux> Can We Save Freedom by Hiding?
15:51 < nsh> takes a dim view
15:51 < nsh> --
15:51 < nsh> https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/print/11001
15:51 < nsh> argh
15:51 < nsh> --
15:51 < nsh>  Over the long run, Vernor reveals the obvious – that the ‘Friends of Privacy’ are no more than a front for powerful interests, from oligarchs to criminal gangs, seeking to conceal their nefarious activities from any chance of discovery. Indeed, pick any method of concealment or obfuscation – won’t elites use it more effectively (by far) than commonfolk? In fact, won’t the very programs that you and I purchase, to muddy our footprints, actually
15:51 < nsh>  report every datum to the original creators of the software?  And if you doubt that, oh, have I a bridge to sell you.
15:51 < nsh> -- poorly honed cynicism
15:51 < nsh> from someone who has never fought elites
15:51 < nsh> who have as often clay feet as any other
15:52 < nsh> probably thinks tor is a US government controlled enterprise
15:54 < nsh> hmm, i don't disagree with the thrust of the rest
15:54 < nsh> also i vaguely recall the name David Brin
15:54 < nsh> i think i read one of his novels
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16:56 < nsh> doesn't look right ^ kanzure
16:58 < nsh> second link should be to .*transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/bitcoin-payment-economic-analysis.*?
16:58 < nsh> weird
17:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=bd83fda6 Bryan Bishop: economics talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stanford-blockchain-conference/2019/coordinated-upgrades/
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18:37 < Jay_Dugger> Sigh.
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19:40 < nmz787> nsh: link to sub-turing whatever? seems I'm just seeing something called "crema"
19:40 < nsh> .g simplificity blockstream pdf
19:40 < yoleaux> https://blockstream.com/simplicity.pdf
19:40 < nsh> e.g ^
19:40 < nsh> but the general notion is that you weaken the language so that you don't fall off the universality cliff-edge and everything can be reasoned about finitely
19:41 < nmz787> is this for cryptocurrency only?
19:41 < nsh> the paper is in that context
19:41 < nmz787> or could it be applied to any formal verification?
19:41 < nsh> but it's a general principle
19:41 < nmz787> hmm, anything non-crytptocurrency?
19:41 < nmz787> to link to
19:42 < nmz787> does sub-turing just mean turing-incomplete?
19:42 < nsh> langsec is i suppose one of the things to search for
19:43 < nsh> aye
19:43 < nsh> but i would imagine there's more qualification/quantification than just turing-im/complete
19:43 < nsh> *in/
19:44 < nsh> jacob torrey is on freenode btw (who cowrote crema): http://archive.hack.lu/2015/crema-hacklu.pdf
19:44 < nsh> well, idles anyway
19:44 < nmz787> ah, ok, i have hung out with maradydd
19:45 < nmz787> ah, this looks more approachable
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