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02:41 < nsh> the best way to sequence dna is grad students
02:41 < nsh> or civil servants [volunteer lab workers completing mandatory nonmilitary national service]
02:41 < nsh> which was the capacity in which i learned it
02:42 < nsh> but that was about 11 years ago so probably completely out of date now
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03:24 < TMA> Back when that was possible/necessary here in .cz, the duty was some menial work in hospitals (like transferring patients to/from bed, ...), scarcely something you could learn something from (like helping a disabled person attend lectures in non-accessible-for-disabled lecture halls)
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03:32 < nsh> yeah my job was supposed to be menial [making drosophila food test tubes and other stock maintenance tasks] i just somehow managed to leverage it into being a pretend geneticist/MCBiologists for a while
03:33 < nsh> i guess because i was halfway bright and asked a lot of questions :)
03:37 < TMA> the person I met that was the disabled person helper did not seem interested in the lectures at all
03:38 < nsh> different strokes for different folks i suppose
03:41 < TMA> I wonder why. Calculus is fascinating. And linear algebra, combinatorics, ... too.
03:52 < nsh> you have to keep your tinder dry
03:52 < nsh> unfortunately schooling often damps it
03:52 < nsh> and the spark of curiosity doesn't take
03:52 < nsh> the problem with a lot of schooling is that they treat the student mind as a bucket to be filled
03:52 < nsh> and not a wildfire to be ignited :)
03:55 < fenn> did you burn the school
03:55 < fenn> what's the point of mandatory menial jobs?
03:57 < nsh> it's a step in the right direction from mandatory-learning-how-to-kill-people-for-a-flag
03:58 < nsh> and bury landmines, conspicuously, in the case of finland
03:58 < fenn> wouldn't want anyone to step on them
03:59 < nsh> well i think that's the point. or that russian tanks step on them mainly
04:00 < nsh> which is historically understandable but not ideal from a humanitarian pov
04:00 < nsh> a lot of finnish army training was related to stopping the advance of russian tanks, although it was stenographed more generally
04:23 < TMA> From what I have heard there was little to no 'learning-how-to-kill'; it was mostly 'learn to endure bullying' and 'learn to dress and make your bed really, really fast'
04:26 < TMA> the problem was that you do not trust your own citizens -- neither with weapons, nor with the knowledge how to operate it
04:41 < nsh> ah yeah well there was a lot of pointless order-taking and absurd amounts of bedmaking too
04:41 < nsh> i did not endure the full 6 months
04:41 < nsh> as i am not especially of the order-taking and pointless-task-doing constitution
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08:43 < nmz787> .title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07798-9
08:43 < yoleaux> Forget everything you know about 3D printing — the ‘replicator’ is here
08:44 < nmz787> "works like a computed tomography (CT) scan in reverse" "given a computer model of a 3D object, the researchers calculated what it would look like from many different angles, and then fed the resulting 2D images into a ordinary slide projector. The projector cast the images into a cylindrical container filled with an acrylate, a type of synthetic resin."
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13:33 < archels> https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2019/02/05/rumors-of-age-reversal-the-plasma-fraction-cure/
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15:14 < nsh> " Two companies (Ambrosia and Alkahest) have begun selling transfusions of young blood to wealthy old folks, brave or desperate enough to experiment on themselves with untried technology, and to pay for the privilege."
15:14 < nsh> interesting that old is further qualified with 'wealthy'
15:15 < nsh> but young is not qualified with 'poor' or 'desperate' or 'exploited'
15:15 < nsh> there are certain things i will not countenance...
15:15 < fenn> they probably aren't
15:16 < nsh> i can see people donating fluids for those who are dying in hospitals due to accidental or malicious trauma more easily than i see people donating so that the wealthy can live longer
15:17 < nsh> in fact i find the latter very hard to imagine without some form of inducement
15:17 < fenn> to be a donor you have to be in good condition, healthy, no drug abuse, no blood borne diseases. most people who are "poor" or "desperate" are none of those things
15:17 < nsh> and inducement is often a euphemism for coercion
15:17 < nsh> so what's the value proposition to them?
15:17 < fenn> they get money
15:17 < nsh> if they don't need what they get more than they feel they need their plasma
15:17 < nsh> okay
15:17 < nsh> so people who need money more than 'spare' plasma
15:18 < nsh> i think we've established the dynamics. the rest is semantics
15:18 < fenn> fine. anyway the rest of the article is the interesting part
15:18  * nsh nods
15:19 < fenn> also, poor people have been donating plasma forever, but nobody gave a shit until it was rich silicon valley people benefitting from it
15:19 < nsh> 'Raw material supply: we have gone beyond the need to obtain blood from young people, our sources are virtually limitless'
15:19 < nsh> nice
15:19 < fenn> the only difference is that now they get more money
15:19 < nsh> whether anybody gave a shit previously is very unlikely to sway my views :)
15:20 < nsh> dunno if using words like elixir is sensible
15:20 < nsh> at this stage
15:20  * nsh shrugs
15:21 < nsh> more data required, but interesting results
15:29 < fenn> yeah those 6 rats better have been bouncing off the walls youthful
15:45 < fenn> i don't recall the name harold katcher
15:47 < fenn> http://www.programmed-aging.org/theory-3/Katcher.html "Turritopsis Corp. is a company founded to pursue heterochronic plasma exchange research."
15:52 < fenn> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/588/22995204631_9cca690cd7_h.jpg
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16:16 < nsh> nice
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16:40 < justanotheruser> 7
16:44 < justanotheruser> nmz787: ty
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