--- Log opened Sun Feb 10 00:00:45 2019 00:15 -!- jtimon [~quassel@92.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:26 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:15 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- Livestradamus [~Livestrad@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: Livestradamus] 05:58 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:12 -!- Livestradamus [~Livestrad@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:55 < kanzure> no article but they left some comments i guess https://waitbutwhy.com/table/designer-babies 07:03 < kanzure> "Complete meiosis from embryonic stem cell-derived germ cells in vivo" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590916000187 07:03 < kanzure> "Haploid spermatid-like cells (SLCs) were derived by stepwise differentiation of ESCs.... This process completely recapitulated meiosis in vitro, meeting meiotic hallmarks. Intracytoplasmic injection of SLCs produced euploid and fertile offspring." 07:08 < kanzure> "Differentiation of human menstrual blood-derived endometrial mesenchymal stem cells into oocyte-like cells" https://academic.oup.com/abbs/article/48/11/998/2444557 07:52 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-86-49-16-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:c891:4458:b7dc:c014] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24 < nsh> heh 10:49 < fenn> i thought this was a pretty reasonable summary of crypto currencies that one could send to one's grandma or whoever https://blog.chain.com/a-letter-to-jamie-dimon-de89d417cb80 10:52 < fenn> of course i think there are reasons for decentralization beyond just censorship resistance 10:54 < fenn> for example, a large variety of different types of fault tolerance, and credible commitments that are against one's own best interest 10:55 < fenn> something something thalience 12:25 < fenn> "Jaime Lannister: So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the King, obey the King, obey your father, protect the innocent, defend the weak. But what if your father despises the King? What if the King massacres the innocent? It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another." 12:26 -!- ExeciN [~nicexe@bnc.stormbit.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:48 -!- ExeciN [~nicexe@bnc.stormbit.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/PBF_UNESCO_bioethics_freedom_and_dignity.png 12:58 < kanzure> 404 not found 13:00 < fenn> now it's there 13:02 < kanzure> nice. 13:03 -!- lotus [49333e81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.62.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- lotus [49333e81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.62.129] has quit [Client Quit] 13:09 < fenn> this was the original https://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/PBF184-Durab_Inc..png 13:23 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:26 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:28 < kanzure> https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/sites/default/files/cgs_global_policies_summary_2015.pdf 13:28 < kanzure> http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=24623 13:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:01 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-86-49-16-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14 -!- sachy [~sachy@91.146.121.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/human-genome-editing-summit/2018-hong-kong/jiankui-he-human-genome-editing/ 15:24 < fenn> "If I was an evil overlord with dreams of world domination… 15:24 < fenn> 1. Create scandal and Shut Down development of gene editing techs for IQ, and push through a global moratorium. 15:24 < fenn> 2. Continue research in secret. 15:24 < fenn> 3. Those huge concentration camps in a remote and locked down province would make for good baby factories." 15:25 < fenn> not saying it's aliens, but... 15:48 < fenn> .title http://imgur.com/gallery/4ljuAKh 15:48 < yoleaux> Jurassic Park but with Birbs - Album on Imgur 15:49 < fenn> let's make it happen guys 15:54 < kanzure> i actually ordered a "jurassic park STAFF" hoodie today 16:03 < kanzure> https://www.ashg.org/about/ethics.shtml 16:03 < kanzure> .title 16:03 < yoleaux> Code of Ethics | ASHG 16:08 < fenn> "The American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG)" 16:15 < kanzure> https://issuu.com/search?language=all&q=Bull%20semen&sortby=date&type=publication 16:39 < nmz787> fenn: lol... puffy t-rex is definitely not as scary 16:39 < fenn> anyone tempered glass before? i want to make something like those white indestructable corelle dishes, but larger and not a dish shape but some other curvy surface 16:39 < nmz787> fenn: reminds me of the pics of "shaved bear" 16:40 < fenn> *ible 16:40 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:51 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/Mable_Jiang/status/1094768048932671493 17:24 < yoleaux> another example is, as many find the gene editing before birth unethical and unacceptable, truth is that many large companies are already trying different ways to edit humans’ genetic expressions through different delivery channels. @kanzure thoughts? (@Mable_Jiang, in reply to tw:1094767592193982464) 17:34 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=514df0fb Bryan Bishop: cross-link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/ 18:21 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-183-216.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/NIHDirector/status/1093568117542920192 19:50 < yoleaux> Biomedical #imaging is getting better all the time. Watch this amazing 3D video to see mammalian neural networks at a level of detail never seen before! #NIH #neuroscience https://bit.ly/2HWpbTe (@NIHDirector) 19:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52 < fenn> i guess this is better than nothing: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/12/14/the-farm-bill-hemp-and-cbd-explainer/ 19:55 < fenn> .wik epidiolex 19:55 < yoleaux> "" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidiolex 19:55 < fenn> ok it's just cannabidiol 19:55 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:56 < kanzure> status quo beckons 19:58 < fenn> so to summarize, a plant was made illegal because a related plant had recreational uses, and now it's no longer illegal, but you have to run a clinical trial with the FDA in order to use an extract from it 20:02 < fenn> " FDA-approved derivatives of the substance are available for prescription with the highest level of restrictions.  Rescheduling will slightly relax the bureaucratic hurdles to research on the medical benefits or impacts of cannabis." 20:03 < fenn> how can we attach an AI to the political machinery to drag the overton window a little faster 20:04 < fenn> it's exhausting trying to do it personally 20:04 < fenn> and everyone else is cheating too 20:04 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-Yfso6klk 20:04 < yoleaux> Cattle Embryo Flushing Procedure - YouTube 20:04 < fenn> will i regret looking at this 20:05 < kanzure> yashgaroth: did you regret looking? 20:05 < fenn> what is it 20:06 < yashgaroth> I've...seen worse 21:49 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:c891:4458:b7dc:c014] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53 -!- jtimon [~quassel@92.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:33 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-183-216.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-183-216.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:35 -!- jtimon [~quassel@92.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- the_l0st_tribe [~the_l0st_@194.171.104.13] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 -!- the_l0st_tribe [~the_l0st_@194.171.104.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- jtimon [~quassel@92.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Feb 11 00:00:46 2019