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06:47 < alt0id> was this channel really investigated by the FBI?
06:47 < alt0id> why?
07:10 < kanzure> they were concerned that we were making viruses
07:11 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/
07:11 < alt0id> thats not a neigbourly thing to do tho
07:11 < alt0id> ROFL
07:11 < kanzure> we were assigned "agents" that we had to meet with weekly for a few months
07:11 < kanzure> until they realized i was harmless
07:12 < alt0id> 1 question
07:12 < alt0id> did any of the chatters
07:12 < alt0id> actually played with chrispr or what?
07:12 < kanzure> yep
07:13 < alt0id> aaaand?
07:13 < alt0id> results?
07:13 < kanzure> i don't know, look at ishee's mice?
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13:41 < adlai> wouldn't viruses, along with books, abaci, and mnemonia, fall under the purvey of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and everything?
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13:57 < nmz787> how are viruses Alcohol, Tobacco, or Firearms?
13:58 < nmz787> they're more of a tax/tariff enforcement/collections agency anyway, as I know
14:02 < adlai> "dear slel necker, please compensate the manufacturer of your nucleocapsids and pay your respects at the shrine of the firebombed tollbooth"
14:09 < adlai> hmmm. in that intro talk, they count only "several hundred people committed to counterterrorism". it's been a while since i played that kind of dichotomy, but isn't the counter/terrorism venn diagram just a single line (of zero measure, to be precise)?
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14:10  * adlai defers further concern to those better-informed of census data
14:12 < nmz787> adlai: they're talking about FBI agents with that assigned as a job role
14:14  * adlai is reminded of a passage from Alexander Shulgin's memoirs, where the government agents investigating his lab politely refused everything (short of oxygen, nitrogen, photons, and the occasional idea) for the first hours of their visit.
14:15 < adlai> sounds like a stressful job.
14:16 < adlai> shulgins are all, "come on in that's quite a hike do you want some food water shade etc?" and the agent eyeballs the clear liquid, wondering what lurks just outside the decimicron band.
14:17 < nmz787> well the doctors who held Typhoid Mary even said the same to journalists coming to interview her
14:19 < nmz787> prevention is always the best medicine
14:19 < adlai> couldn't they use semaphor? there should be no shortage of cloths waiting to be burned in such a quarantine house.
14:20 < nsh> if shulgin wanted to get the feds tripping he could have just laced the door handles
14:20 < nsh> also beneficial hallucinogens are quite different to infectious diseases :)
14:21 < adlai> "patient zero was available for questioning, until wind patterns got in the way of answering"
14:21 < nsh> Shulgin is a modern day saint
14:21 < adlai> iirc most of shulgin's vials contained buffers, blanks, and nops.
14:22 < adlai> where "nop" means, "several volunteers consumed substance in question, across several orders of magnitude of dosage, without a single report of any effect beyond boredom and a diminishing desire to volunteer again"
14:25 < nmz787> nsh: set and setting.... if the agents weren't ready, it likely wouldn't have been positive for them
14:25 < nsh> i wasn't suggesting it
14:25 < nsh> i was demurring to the comparison with typhoid mary :)
14:25 < nsh> which was a bit strange
14:26 < nmz787> either way could lead to a trip to the infirmary
14:26 < nsh> and i was also suggesting that the feds were not taking sensible precautions, they were just being paranoid
14:26 < nsh> a professional chemist does not poison or intoxicate their guests
14:26 < nmz787> most likely they were following orders
14:26 < nsh> sure
14:27 < nsh> orders can be given by paranoid people
14:27 < nmz787> it seems like a measly sum to pay
14:27 < nsh> it was kinda this whole thing in the USA for like 40 years after WWII :)
14:27 < nsh> kinda definitive of the entire cold war era
14:28 < nsh> Dr. Strangelove and all that
14:28 < nsh> (not that this wasn't more or less mirrored amongst elements in the soviet high commands)
14:28 < nsh> -s
14:29 < nsh> and they were only visiting in the first place because ronald regan instituted a war on drugs to persecute leftists and ethnic minorities :)
14:29 < nsh> but anyway, that's enough history
14:35 < adlai> on an entirely related note: my personal experience with diydryness is that everything gets wet in even the tamest mediterranean winter, and it's much better to ensure wettability than pretend a bunch of permeable membranes are semi-.
14:35 < nmz787> you can't be responding to my issues of dry compressed air for my Focused Ion Beam system, can you?
14:36 < nmz787> if not, I have no idea what you're responding to
14:37 < adlai> no, just voicing a conclusion from ~ten winters of not bothering to spend personal funds on dubiously effective waterproofing equipment, and instead treating every rainy excursion as an integration test, if you will.
14:38 < adlai> example of dubiously effective waterproofing equipment: putting cellphones in ziploc bags. this keeps out dust, not water.
14:39 < adlai> unfortunately, "don't take the cellphone if you expect a dunking" parses by idiots as tracking paranoia.
14:41 < adlai> nmz787: i've not been following your specific issue in detail, although my expectation is that you're dealing with a completely different world of contaminants than I.
14:42 < nmz787> lots of outdoor recreational retailers sell 'dry bags'
14:42 < nmz787> although I am surprised you would have a water issue in a mediterranean climate
14:43 < nmz787> unless you're into boating
14:44 < adlai> put phone in sealable foodgrade plastic box, so you can see if the screen tries to get your attention. use box as roof if you need to touch screen despite rain. if rain persists, spend funds saved thus.
14:45  * adlai has no boating hobby, the problem is simply one of vigorous rain showers getting everything wet unless you treat rain as the primary enemy.
14:46 < adlai> mediterranean climes get wonderful rain, but wind is a better enemy. rain is fun.
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16:53 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK
16:53 < yoleaux> GitHub - KhronosGroup/MoltenVK: MoltenVK is an implementation of the high-performance, industry-standard Vulkan graphics and compute API, that runs on Apple's Metal graphics framework, bringing Vulkan to iOS and macOS.
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20:56 < heath> "The Future of Genetic Engineering - George Churchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGCFIED8l5Y
20:58 < heath> "The Future of Genetic Engineering - George Church" - Hello Tomorrow GLobal Summit 2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGCFIED8l5Y
21:02 < heath> ...and Josiah Zayner and Antonio Regalado
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