--- Log opened Sat May 04 00:00:02 2019
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01:09  * adlai would like to submit another appeal of censorship policy elucidation to the channel czar...
01:10 < adlai> Dear Kanzure: are quibbles regarding education trajectories considered exempt from the "No Politics, So Don't Even Ask" embargo?
01:11 < adlai> eg, there's apparently a little vein of the published literature from the past few decades, exploring how an unbalanced chemical reaction can be balanced via writing an overdependent set of linear equations, collapsing it into a minimal set, and finally reinterpreting that as a balanced reaction.
01:12 < adlai> in ~5 years of supposedly being taught chemistry, i have never encountered this method!
01:13 < adlai> of course, there's nothing about it which is impossible to rediscover independently, yet the same can be said for proofs of FLT, or QCD, or, or...
01:14  * adlai only encountered this approach through rereading chapters covering topics of which he was already supposed to have an eyes-closed-brain-fossilized understanding
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01:14 < adlai> (most importantly, in textbooks other than the ones used when initially learning the topic)
01:17 < adlai> returning to the elucidation appeal: are statements such as "I think general chemistry education should presuppose elementary proficiency with solving oligodependent linear equations, so that redox balancing can be taught as a matrix method"
01:18 < adlai> (this is an entirely political statement, due to the 'should'.)
01:24 < adlai> .title http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ed074p538
01:24 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
01:24 < adlai> .title http://pub.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed074p538
01:24 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed.
01:24 < adlai> .title https://pub.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed074p538
01:24 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed.
01:25 < adlai> .title https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed074p538
01:25 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
01:25  * adlai sighs
01:26  * adlai quotes: In closing, I would like to address two of the major criticisms of the algebraic method. The first is that it is "mathematics, not chemistry". One of the purposes of the first section was to emphasize that the mathematics in the second section was a consequence of the three general conditions, which _is_ chemistry.
01:28 < adlai> this article does appear to be available in full without use of an academic proxy, although if it's not, ucanhazpdf, at least as long as my bits remain coherent.
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05:43 < pasky> adlai: there're great many little veins of published literature from the past few decades. education is typically reactive, not proactive, i.e. teaches whatever knowledge has been empirically shown to be the best predictor of finding new things
05:43 < pasky> that needs to be demonstrated first. get to work :)
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08:57 < archels> lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19825946
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10:50 < superkuh> He's not wrong. The point of view there is almost always about what is best for business instead of best for people.
10:51 < superkuh> People recommending kubernetes for personal projects with a straight face.
10:51 < superkuh> Because they can't think outside "business' mode.
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13:37 < pasky> where things converge is that what's good for business long-term is also often the same as what's good for people long-term
13:38 < pasky> having github sustainable and not only sustainable but making a lot of money means there's an awesome infrastructure for open source projects (remember sourceforge?)
13:39 < pasky> and obviously ignoring what's good for your individual users means that long-term your business becomes less relevant, especially with their business model (which is why github is so much bigger than say bitbucket)
13:39 < pasky> (i.e. "appeal to the developers and the enterprise business comes", rather than "appeal to the enterprise business")
13:42 < pasky> similarly - believe it or not but there's an active and almost serious debate in german politics about allowing people to own only a single flat/house (the one they live in0
13:42 < pasky> which sounds to some like a great way to fix a large big city housing shortage (and airbnb issues) short-term
13:42 < pasky> though obviously it's absolutely nuts long-term
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