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07:22 < faceface> mrdata, just turn off your notifications
07:22 < faceface> kanzure: the bluetooth thing was strangely unsurprising
07:23 < faceface> However, if you're sending an unsigned tx to a device for signing, it doesn't really impact security if you need to manually confirm the tx... assuming firmware is done over not bluetooth
07:27 < faceface> About the TERT paper, apparently Jong knows Helen Blau personally. He is working on life extension in Korea currently.
07:27 < faceface> I'm working for him now in the UK
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07:49 < kanzure> assuming the user checks the screen on the hardware wallet before clicking 'hell yes'
07:59 < faceface> Yeah, if you hit them at the right time, it could be easy to trick them
08:10 < faceface> nsh: I need a spam filter for my earphones
08:10 < faceface> everytime that guy sniffs... It's hurting my brain
08:11 < nsh> try Zizek then...
08:11 < faceface> Going with ibuprofen
08:11 < nsh> .g zizek but it keeps getting faster every time he sniffs
08:11 < EmmyNoether> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmNqwEhGIk
08:12 < faceface> There should be a law about sniffing on a podcast
08:24 < faceface> I keep going back and forth about using cryptographic certification for supplychain
08:24 < faceface> e.g. if I run a vinyard, and I sign each bottle of wine I produce, a resturant has to produce a valid sig... ahh... I guess, if this really is ever a problem, you just sell the same bottle twice. Ignore me.
08:26 < faceface> but... what if I sign that I drank it?
08:30 < kanzure> what you want is a magical stamp that cannot be copied and placed on another product
08:30 -!- dongcarl_ is now known as dongcarl
08:31 < kanzure> this is actually similar to tamper detection techniques, like a fine mesh of capacitance sensors and also checking for open circuits, and using that to produce a "physically unclonable function" (it's not quite a PUF because PUFs refer to quantum stuff)
08:31 < kanzure> and then you can use that to derive a key or something... but yeah i don't think this problem seems particularly solvable by any of these techniques.
08:32 < faceface> I changed my mind... The vinyard stamps it's wine on the blockchain, and the resturant flags that it bought the wine from the vinyard. You flag the wine as drunk when you drink it. Assuming there ever was a problem of fake wine, I /think/ this solves it (assuming you are motivated to flag it as drunk).
08:33 < faceface> I don't think it solves the problem of fake manuka honey, which apparently is real.
08:33 < faceface> However, I don't think anyone really cares about that problem. It's just the way the industry works.
08:34 < faceface> mix manuka to local stuff 10 to 1 and sell it as manuka for 10x what the local honey would have fetched
08:35 < faceface> Aparently when you're planting an implant on a board, it's hard to maintain angular momentum in all dimensions
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08:36 < faceface> That could be part of a key used to certify the board, assuming you had a device to measure angular momentum
08:36 < kanzure> there's some company that does momentum testing of their products off the assembly line to check for unexpected mass distribution or something
08:36 < kanzure> the details of which i have completely forgotten
08:36 < faceface> I heard about it (second hand)
08:36 < faceface> yeah
08:37 < faceface> POS terminals that they couldn't open once delivered
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10:25 < kanzure> hmph
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18:25 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=77eae99b Bryan Bishop: transcript: austin bitcoin developers socratic seminar >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/austin-bitcoin-developers/2019-08-22-socratic-seminar-2/
18:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7d7046de Bryan Bishop: add more links >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/austin-bitcoin-developers/2019-08-22-socratic-seminar-2/
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18:45 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b7b9722d Bryan Bishop: add more words >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/austin-bitcoin-developers/2019-08-22-socratic-seminar-2/
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