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00:35 < fenn> nmz787: an astrophysics abstracts database search tool at harvard: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002APS..APRI11007E
00:36 < fenn> and other random related physics and nasa stuff
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03:53 < fenn> maaku: a game i like called "autonauts" is finally out of beta. you might enjoy playing it with your kids... https://denki.itch.io/autonauts
03:53 < fenn> i think the thing on itch.io is not complete
03:54 < fenn> but it gives you a good idea of the game
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06:33 < kanzure> hmph
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06:36 < kanzure> were there any interesting igem projects this year? https://2019.igem.org/Giant_Jamboree/Abstracts
06:37 < kanzure> "dna steganography" pfft.... https://2019.igem.org/Team:Shanghai_City
06:38 < kanzure> "plasmid recorder of biological events" https://2019.igem.org/Team:SHSBNU_China
06:38 < kanzure> same thing(?) https://2019.igem.org/Team:SJTU-BioX-Shanghai
06:39 < kanzure> using fountain codes for dna data storage https://2019.igem.org/Team:Tsinghua-A
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06:40 < kanzure> expression system for modular virus-like particles https://2019.igem.org/Team:TU_Darmstadt
06:40 < kanzure> paper-strip gene testing assay thing based on a fusion protein https://2019.igem.org/Team:TU_Dresden
06:42 < kanzure> looks like i also missed 2018
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06:50 < kanzure> biosummit livestream https://www.twitch.tv/globalbiosummit
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07:12 < kanzure> i was talking with warren about my "library commons" proposal (the thing like the defensive patent pool but for copyright and written works), and his criticism is that i am overestimating people's interest in acquiring access to such a library
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07:40 < ybit> cheapest space for a community lab i've found is ~$1200/mo
07:46 < ybit> oh! there's one for $800 a block away from my home
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08:02 < kanzure> "Temporal stability of functional brain modules associated with human intelligence" https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hbm.24807
08:09 < kanzure> why isn't there a torrent tool where seeders who go offline can publicly commit that they will be returning at xyz date
08:10 < kanzure> or, rather, why isn't there a torrent tool to "wake the dead" (have long-gone seeders running a tool to monitor for substantial requests to come back online)
08:10 < kanzure> pay-per-chunk would be nice but just notifying someone to come back online is a prerequisite (otherwise how are they even going to learn about the available chunk payments)
08:11 < faceface> hello
08:11 < kanzure> be greeted
08:11 < faceface> do you still have that 'profit share' smart contract?
08:11 < kanzure> it was just a bitcoin transaction that paid out to multiple people
08:12 < faceface> The one that splits a payment to several ... yea
08:12 < kanzure> it's simpler than you think. you can also do pre-signed transactions where you pre-commit to spending the coins to those people, without having the risk of alternative transactions being signed.
08:12 < kanzure> to perform this variant of the scheme, the requirement is that the multisig is n-of-n and that any 1 of n deletes their private key
08:12 < kanzure> after signing the single transaction that they all agree to.
08:13 < kanzure> (this would only work for pre-specified denominations of course)
08:13 < faceface> The use case is yalls.com except with multiple parties recieving the payment... not sure if we can actually use LN
08:13 < faceface> yalls.org
08:14 < kanzure> my original version was just a centralized server that signed the transaction to forward the payments. so you can do multi-party forwarding using lightning if you want.
08:14 < kanzure> the downside is that the recipients have to trust you to do correct forwarding
08:14 < faceface> yeah
08:14 < faceface> yalls actually 'keeps the btc safe for you', it seems
08:15 < kanzure> there is a lightning version btw
08:15 < kanzure> er, it might be yalls
08:16 < faceface> yup
08:16 < faceface> I confuse the two too
08:16 < kanzure> https://dev.lightning.community/lapps/
08:17 < faceface> This doesn't have to be ln, the idea is to throw up an article and have an unlock payment go to each author, the institues, and the platform
08:18 < faceface> distributed according to some visible scheme
08:18 < faceface> A different project, can we do push payments yet? I want to label food at the local makespace with barcodes that let you buy them with LN.
08:19 < faceface> AFAIK you can't create 'open' invoces like that
08:19 < kanzure> typically the problem with this idea is micropayments which is why custodial is necessary
08:20 < faceface> OIC, custodial or LN?
08:21 < faceface> BTW, do you watch tech ingreedients? Just found it and binging
08:21 < kanzure> no
08:22 < faceface> he's great
08:24 < faceface> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_g4nT4a28U sorry lag
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09:22 < lsneff> Is anyone here familiar with the cellular automaton theory?
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11:14 < abetusk> lsneff, my bet is that most people here are
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11:40 < maaku> fenn: thanks
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12:17 < lsneff> .title https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.3378.pdf
12:17 < EmmyNoether> Sorry, page isn't HTML
12:18 < fenn> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.3378
12:18 < EmmyNoether> [1405.3378] The 'crisis of noosphere' as a limiting factor to achieve the point of technological singularity
12:18 < lsneff> thanks fenn
12:22 < lsneff> I'm trying to figure out that paper
12:22 < lsneff> It's pretty strange
12:22 < lsneff> and doesn't really seem to have a point
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15:33 < lsneff> .tw https://twitter.com/LachlanSneff/status/1182783341633921025
15:33 < EmmyNoether> Just occurred to me that gpgpu compute shaders could pretty easily be distributed against a bunch of networked machines. Why just run the shader on a few thousand cores when you could run it on a few million that are a hell of a lot more powerful than a gpu compute core? (@LachlanSneff)
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17:10 < kanzure> hpmh
17:26 < maaku> lsneff: most scientific simulation gpgpu applications are network-bound
17:26 < maaku> you compute a bunch of info, and then you have to share that info with other nodes for the next time step
17:27 < maaku> on a single gpu this is trivial, as it all exists in video memory. on a single machine it requires some plumbing but is fast. beyond that you need infiniband and good coordination middleware
17:28 < lsneff> Ah, yeah that makes sense
17:28 < lsneff> I should've considered that
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17:58 < maaku> which is why these days all that separates a "supercomputer" from a regular data center rack is infiniband and the OS installed
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18:15 < jrayhawk> Speaking of high-bandwidth interconnects, a bunch of the big players are trying to move entire datacenters worth of devices into a unified memory addressing space. https://genzconsortium.org/faqs/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCvkU0UKIU
18:20 < jrayhawk> i have to wonder if that paradigm will survive another ten years of storage density improvements; 64 bits might become a limiting factor
18:22 < kanzure> kernel error: memory blocks between 0xfffffa0000000000000000000000000 and 0xffffff0000000000000000000000000 are currently inaccessible because they are on fire.
18:22 < kanzure> although i'm not sure if that's possible; these data centers usually have automated fire supression systems.
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18:23 < jrayhawk> i have set multiple servers on fire
18:23 < jrayhawk> the automated fire suppression systems are overstated
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18:27 < jrayhawk> at least in the U.S., even one medical or wrongful death lawsuit is not worth multiple full racks worth of equipment, so all of the most impressive fire suppression systems are just theater
18:33 < lsneff> How?
18:33 < jrayhawk> https://www.nwfdailynews.com/1.279555 https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/29/nyregion/woman-dies-of-suffocation-after-locking-herself-in-a-vault.html https://mashable.com/2016/03/14/bangkok-extinguisher-death/ etc.
18:33 < jrayhawk> lsneff: to which?
18:41 < lsneff> jrayhawk: How did you catch a server on fire?
18:43 < kanzure> .g gpu caught fire bad drivers
18:43 < EmmyNoether> https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/bad-gpu-caught-fire-troubleshooting.3137266/
18:43 < jrayhawk> One of them was some mixture of dust and lubricant in a 1U fan, another I think was electrolyte from a bad cap in a power supply, but I didn't disassemble it to check.
18:49 < lsneff> Huh, interesting
18:50 < jrayhawk> and plenty of "magic blue smoke" incidents, but that's pushing the definition of "fire" quite a bit
18:55 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/s_r_constantin/status/1177375182270291968
18:55 < EmmyNoether> https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/0300-483X(91)90031-U If you give mice and rats amphetamines for their whole lives, they're 40% less likely to get tumors. (@s_r_constantin)
19:16 < lsneff> If you get EmmyNoether to print out something that contains ".tw" or ".title" with a link to itself, will she get caught in a loop?
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22:40 < fenn> .py print(".py print('test')")
22:40 < EmmyNoether> .py print('test')
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22:41 < fenn> i doubt it
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