--- Log opened Tue Oct 15 00:00:34 2019 00:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.28] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.28] has quit [Changing host] 00:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:05 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:16 < fenn> strange that lukasz olejnik doesn't mention finding a user's physical location (at least time zone) from the light sensor readings 00:17 < fenn> using cloud patterns and other devices with known locations you could easily get within a mile 00:17 < fenn> why the hell does a web browser need access to light sensor data anyway? 00:45 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has quit [Quit: migration] 00:57 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.193.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:02 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:02 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29 < maaku> fenn: auto dark mode 01:38 -!- lawl_ [~luwl@cpe-107-15-246-163.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42 < nsh> which could just as easily be an OS function rather than letting random websites decide to server you a different colour scheme 01:42 < nsh> the web is basically user-hostile in the last decade 01:42 < nsh> mobile is just an extreme extension of this tendency imho 01:42 < nsh> *serve 01:50 < nmz787> my cell phone already dose auto-dark on its own 01:50 < nmz787> does* 01:54 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-107-15-246-163.nc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:55 < fenn> i've thought about this some more and written a long letter to lukasz 01:56 < fenn> my recommendations: cover that fucking sensor 01:56 < fenn> cover around it because light will leak in through the glass around it 01:58 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-107-15-246-163.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:17 < fenn> eeegh here's another one: https://crypto.stanford.edu/gyrophone/ "MEMS gyroscopes found on modern smart phones are sufficiently sensitive to measure acoustic signals ... sufficient to identify speaker information and even parse speech. Since iOS and Android require no special permissions to access the gyro, our results show that apps and active web content that cannot access the microphone can 02:17 < fenn> nevertheless eavesdrop on speech in the vicinity of the phone." 02:23 < nsh> and these are the sensors we have nominal autonomy over 02:23 < nsh> soon there will be sensitive sensors ubiquitously that we don't know and can't control 02:23 < nsh> (unless some cultural changes happen, perhaps) 02:35 -!- TC [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- TC is now known as Guest31111 02:38 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:39 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-webdopifwilmndxf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:50 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:55 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:48 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:04 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:43 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:30 * archels_ tosses nsh the EMP gun 05:32 < archels_> fenn: I don't really understand people taping off their laptop webcams. I have a half dozen video chats every week, I need this thing 05:32 < archels_> now we're throwing away functionality because of a security leak? fix the leak, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater 05:32 < fenn> there are plastic sliding covers 05:33 < archels_> yeah, this is a more sensible approach 05:33 < fenn> i'll take a hardware solution any day over promises that someone at some layer has allegedly fixed one leak 05:34 < fenn> most people are not even aware of these issues 05:38 < kanzure> solution: eat most people 05:39 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 < fenn> eat the middle class! 05:44 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/9ivh0u/thinkpad_keyboards_measurement_of_polling_lag_and/ 06:07 < nsh> (was me who asked you about this on twitter btw) 06:08 < nsh> might be fixable with a patch 06:08 < nsh> bit worried myself because i just ordered an X1 yoga, but i won't type half as fast as you 06:08 < nsh> so may not notice issues 06:09 < nsh> (you could also learn to type with the grain of the biasing/reordering to some extent but it would probably be bad for your general typing powers0 06:12 < archels_> fenn: in my imaginary DIY laptop, there would be some hardware disconnect switches 06:13 -!- almafa [68842d53@104.132.45.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:23 < fenn> you can't exactly tape over a gyro sensor 06:23 < kanzure> you could play white noise from the phone's speaker? 06:24 < fenn> just bolt it to a cinder block ;) 06:25 < fenn> for maximum scramble capability you'd want to play numerous voices saying plausible gibberish phrases 06:26 < fenn> the sort of thing that would be likely to drive most people mad in short order 06:28 < kanzure> a keyboard has already driven me mad 06:37 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:39 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:39 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhcgkwwbofgqfgjr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:10 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:27 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:48 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:254b:888c:2d47:37f3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.124] has quit [Changing host] 07:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.137.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.137.124] has quit [Changing host] 07:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:42 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:54 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:59 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-B85A-8844-B270-A5E1.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:09 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1183910219597746176 09:09 < EmmyNoether> Estimating Classroom-Level Influences on Literacy and Numeracy: A Twin Study https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-60508-001 // "[G]enetic factors accounted for between half and three quarters of the variance across most domains and grades... Classroom effects were mostly nonsignificant." Bummer. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG4YEPxVAAIGUz-.jpg (@SteveStuWill) 09:10 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:13 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:14 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:15 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:25 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhcgkwwbofgqfgjr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:26 < kanzure> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/machine-learning/amazon-transcribe-now-supports-real-time-transcriptions/ 09:49 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07 -!- almafa [68842d53@104.132.45.83] has quit [Remote host closed the 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actual data - markets that include extensive donations rarely respond well to traditional economic hypothesi. 18:17 < adlai> e.g., if you've got an ~entire hemisphere where both buying and selling of organs is illegal, regardless of the condition of either body at either end of the transaction (where the word 'end' is used in multiple senses, i.e., temporal and otherwise), then shortages can readily enter the public discourse, although their impact on markets, even if such markets are purely hypothetical, will not be as 18:17 < adlai> readily evident. 18:18 < adlai> also, i gather that it's increasingly uncommon to terminate a life under controlled conditions, in your part of the world; although i don't follow legislatures in realtime :) 18:19 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:fd38:2845:cd81:1dcd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:24 < adlai> kanzure: regarding electromechanical typing speed - at the risk of making pun of an issue way too close to everyone/s hearts and mouths: what architecture of keyboard limits your ability? (the thinkpad brand already had several different architectures, at the time of my last market survey) 18:25 < adlai> the pun, if one may be made, is that if you are frustrated by the typewriter, put it aside and spend some time talking to the piano. 18:35 -!- lawl__ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-E551-59A7-955E-299F.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:35 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-107-15-246-163.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36 -!- lawl__ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-E551-59A7-955E-299F.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:36 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-E551-59A7-955E-299F.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 * adlai regards this issue as a touchy subject due to the prevalence of emphasis upon typing speed, rather than "knowing what not to type" - a quote from kanzure , if i recall correctly! 18:41 -!- lawl_ [~lawl_@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-E551-59A7-955E-299F.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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