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01:02 < maaku> good for france
01:26 < fenn> just don't make a mess in orbit
01:27 < fenn> who am i kidding, of course they will make a mess
01:27 < fenn> someone will blow up someone else. that's what war is
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03:32 < archels> fenn: it's a bit sad, but if China and India and the US are developing space weapons, it'd be foolish to stay behind
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06:26 < kanzure> eugenics should really be called "coerced sterilization"
06:26 < kanzure> why do we have a separate word for this
06:27 < kanzure> careful that in your shame over coerced sterilization you don't swing the pendulum all the way back around to other ridiculous forms of coercion
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06:42 < faceface> Does that mean my wife is guilty of eugenics?
06:49 < kanzure> whatever floats your boat, if you like being on the receiving end of coercion...
07:09 < faceface> for coercion, read nagging
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07:39 < jrayhawk> a level of nagging heretofore unrecognized by the medical sciences
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08:16 < fenn> archels: yes, better get off this planet while you still can
08:17 < fenn> it'd be foolish to stay behind
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08:22 < lsneff> this backwater orb
08:39 < archels> the garage just called, my spaceship is ready
08:41 < fenn> do you know where your towel is
08:43 < lsneff> do you know where your spacesuit is
08:45 < lsneff> speaking of, have you all seen the new nasa suits?
08:45 < lsneff> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/48905773692_7980d433f2_o.jpg
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08:55 < fenn> the recently revealed xEMU does seem to be an improvement over older suits
08:55 < fenn> as usual the NASA publicity rubs me the wrong way
08:56 < nmz787> "The prefix (eu-) means good, well, pleasant or true. It is derived from the Greek eu meaning well and eus meaning good."
08:56 < nmz787> so eugenics really has nothing to do with sterilization
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09:12 < kanzure> nmz787: well it's more like "good-according-to-whom" and "whomever-will-probably-be-a-government-and-they-will-choose-for-you-so-therefore-individuals-are-incapable-of-having-their-own-personal-sense-of-good"
09:15 < kanzure> if you believe that people have no agency then i suppose the idea of individuals seeking out commercial services to modify germline might seem terrifying
09:16 < kanzure> which is probably also what is going on in the anti-abortionist camps ("they didn't really want an abortion!" (of course not, nobody wants to rack up their abortion count for the hell of it-- they could kill more fetuses if they focus on other people's fetuses))
09:25 < lsneff> fenn: Perhaps, but I wonder why nasa isn't more public about whether it's working on mechanical counterpressure suits
09:26 < fenn> because mechanical counterpressure suits have gotten strongly associated with _former_ deputy administrator dava newman
09:27 < fenn> stupid political crap, of course. did you even have to ask?
09:27 < lsneff> fair enough
09:27 < lsneff> political cruft
09:29 < fenn> i'm willing to bet if you looked under the hood at spacex's sleek suits you'd find something like http://astronautix.com/s/s-2pressuresuit.html
09:29 < fenn> capstan mechanical pressure suit
09:30 < fenn> there's a party balloon that goes along the limbs and inflates, tightening cords that run around the limbs etc
09:30 < lsneff> I imagine so
09:30 < lsneff> poor man's biosuit
09:31 < fenn> in 1953 they didn't have elastic fabrics, but in the 1960s they did, which apollo almost made use of
09:31 < fenn> you can tighten an elastic fabric with an inflatable bladder system as well, but it works better because it's not rigid
09:32 < fenn> biosuit is overhyped and imho introduces complexity for no purpose. elastic fabric works just as well
09:32 < fenn> like this suit which is basically a dozen layers of panty hose and a goldfish bowl http://astronautix.com/s/spaceactivitysuit.html
09:33 < fenn> for some reason they didn't think to pack gel bags in the concave regions
09:34 < lsneff> I think the point of the biosuit is that it's significantly easier to get on
09:40 < fenn> it's the same as putting on a capstan suit, but every suit has to be custom tailored in laborious fashion for each wearer (laser scanning even)
09:41 < fenn> the "fashion" suit that is in all the photos doesn't have the capstan tubes, but they have to be there
09:42 < fenn> you're not going to zip yourself up at 5 psi or whatever
09:43 < fenn> it would probably kill you to do so
09:44 < fenn> in a capstan suit, when you put on the helmet and increase relative pressure, the tubes inflate at the exact same rate, so there's never a pressure difference between your body and your head
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09:57 < fenn> apparently one version uses shape memory alloy to apply the tension
09:59 < lsneff> that's what the biosuit does, yeah. It's supposed to shrink around you
09:59 < lsneff> And it should be able to be knitted/printed based on a laser scan, so manufacturing a different one for each person isn't a huge deal, I think
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12:03 < kanzure> https://pangu8.com/jailbreak/checkra1n/
12:08 < maaku> kanzure: there are both approaches to eugenics: coerced sterilization is one, but also selective breeding
12:08 < maaku> makes sense to have a word which covers both
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12:12 < maaku> lsneff: I don't like the idea of a personalized suit. what happens when your suit breaks?
12:16 < lsneff> maaku: woven mechanical counterpressure suits are inherently extremely reparable, and also they would vacuum pack super small, so just bring a  couple
12:16 < lsneff> and once advanced 3d printing infrastructure is set up, they can be manufactured onsite (presumably, the tech is feasible, just doesn't exist yet)
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12:27 < kanzure> do people really object to state-sponsorsed family incentives? i thought they all like the tax breaks
12:28 < lsneff> kanzure: people are brainwashed by politicians into not wanting what's good for them
12:30 < kanzure> i think it's more likely that people have agency and they might be idiots, but not necessarily brainwashed
12:33 < kanzure> lsneff: https://heritagemolecular.com/faq
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12:38 < lsneff> indeed
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12:50 < maaku> kanzure: i object to state-sponsored "family planning" incentives, i.e. coerced sterilization
12:52 < kanzure> what about tax incentives to get married and produce progeny
12:53 < kanzure> or monetary benefits
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13:54 < maaku> I don't have any prinicpled objection to it.
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16:04 < jrayhawk> https://www.americangene.com/development-portfolio/hiv-aids/
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