--- Log opened Tue Nov 12 00:00:05 2019 00:00 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-139-157.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:21 < TheHoliestRoger> does anyone still dig into satoshi anymore in here? 00:21 < TheHoliestRoger> got something half interesting 00:52 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 < jrayhawk> No. 02:20 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azjwtyhpiqibeqcn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:41 < TheHoliestRoger> lol you guys, always so welcoming. 02:42 < TheHoliestRoger> well if anyone wants some charted 'satoshi' spends on the blockchain PM me 02:43 < TheHoliestRoger> trying to get someone with some expertise to look, i don't want to release something publicly if it's just fud 02:45 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- TheHoliestRoger [~TheHolies@unaffiliated/theholiestroger] has left ##hplusroadmap ["You know where to find me."] 02:58 < jrayhawk> truthseeking is only virtuous insofar as it can be expected to generate good outcomes 02:58 < jrayhawk> this is the opposite of that 03:17 < nsh> i'm vaguely interested to see by what methodology these purported satoshi spends are ascertained 03:17 < nsh> some research on this has actually been useful 03:17 < nsh> but most is indeed silly 03:49 -!- lewls [~lewls@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:56 -!- lewls is now known as lewlz 04:06 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12 -!- crockwork [~crockwork@66.205.193.158] has quit [Quit: crockwork] 04:18 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:39 -!- kun0[m] [kun0matrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pmwfwcxlhaqgjrop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:58 -!- lewlz [~lewls@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [] 06:17 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:17 -!- kun0[m] [kun0matrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-enttdsjfuxrpfrsw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 < kanzure> jrayhawk: pretty sure that guy is shoveling malware in his "block explorer" links proving his theory about satoshi 06:32 < kanzure> anyway, be cautious 06:39 < jrayhawk> that level of transgressiveness is inconsistent with asking about social norms beforehand 06:39 < jrayhawk> the identity appears to have a long not-scamming history on the web anyway 06:54 < kanzure> alright. well he's been pm'ing me for a few months asking me to load various files about his satoshi theories. 06:54 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 06:54 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-b luwl!*@*] by kanzure 06:54 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure 07:11 < jrayhawk> oh 07:11 < jrayhawk> huh 07:44 < kanzure> seems like keyboards should have temperature-response curve data sheets 07:48 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 < jrayhawk> are you seriously finding a temperature-dependent performance variation? 08:25 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:cd7c:b56b:7ce6:1386] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 < kanzure> well i'm not sure, which is why i wanted to consult some charts but none exist 08:39 < kanzure> this either means there is no change from temperature, or nobody has studied it 08:39 < kanzure> it's conceivable that temperature does matter for differences of a few milliseconds in electronics 08:40 < kanzure> if this was a true effect then i should be able to plot ambient temperature against a chart of my wpm (but my wpm probably isn't that constant anyway) 08:45 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 < kanzure> stanford blockchain conference 2020 is 100 MB of pdfs to review >:( 09:15 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- helleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:27 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < archels> kanzure: is the confound here maybe finger temperature? 10:30 < archels> (strongly correlated with keyboard temperature) 10:33 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:18 -!- uniera [uniera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/uniera] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:57 -!- sweaver [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:57 -!- sweaver [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:58 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:14 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:20 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:33 < kanzure> how should i know, shouldn't someone else have studied that by now 12:37 < archels> can we build a laptop keyboard with builtin radiative finger heating technology? 12:37 < kanzure> i would assume cool fingers would be better 12:38 < archels> I have wished for this more than once, while waiting on the train 12:38 < archels> kanzure: you try bicycling for a while in freezing weather with no gloves, and then going inside and typing on a keyboard 12:38 < archels> or performing any fine motor skill, really 12:39 < kanzure> fine, now you try putting a cpu in the freezer and then on the surface of the sun 12:40 < Urchin> archels: buy gloves? 12:40 < archels> the point is that warm fingers type faster than cold fingers 12:48 < kanzure> i think i type faster on cooled keyboards 12:48 < kanzure> so therefore we need to liquid cool my keyboards 12:51 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:57 < archels> haha 12:57 < archels> maybe they only need an oil change 13:01 < lsneff> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.02385 13:01 < EmmyNoether> [1911.02385] SpiNNaker 2: A 10 Million Core Processor System for Brain Simulation and Machine Learning 13:02 < lsneff> They say it should be able to simulate greater than 50 billion simplistic neurons in real-time. 13:10 < archels> yeah, SpiNNaker is pretty neat. They also make mini 4-core boards that you can use for experimentation "at home" 13:12 < kanzure> lsneff: archels has a bunch of domain knowledge in this area and you should extract it from him 13:13 < lsneff> kanzure: thanks for the heads up 13:14 < lsneff> archels: any idea what their neuron model looks like? Is it just a perceptron? 13:17 < kanzure> lsneff: btw https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ and https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/ and https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/brain-emulation/ https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/randall-oreilly/ 13:17 < archels> I believe they mostly just use integrate-and-fire point neurons, nothing very high-dimensional 13:18 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@58.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19 < lsneff> Would it be valid to say that the main issue at this point is software? 13:19 < lsneff> For brain simulation, that is 13:19 < kanzure> it remains unknown whether a lower resolution computational model could produce more realistic results with less computation 13:19 < kanzure> right now a dominate trend is throwing more hardware at everything 13:19 < lsneff> Ah, I see 13:20 < kanzure> dominant, rather. 13:21 < archels> software and modeling, yes, but there's a parallel with the deep learning field, where performance and cost trends in hardware have certainly accelerated research and development 13:24 < lsneff> That makes sense, yeah. 13:24 < kanzure> i think throwing hardware at deep learning is still giving good returns but these might eventually become asymptotic 13:26 < lsneff> That's interesting to hear, given that the rate of change for hardware performance has been decreasing. Seems odd that the two would plateau at the same moment. 13:29 < kanzure> well, it's not like you can immediately get a supercluster of the latest commodity hardware, these things take time 13:30 < kanzure> bigger gpu farms have better performance i think 13:39 < archels> you can apply via the Human Brain Project for general purpose supercomputer computing time :) 13:40 < archels> it's not that big of a hurdle, you just write a decent story and they will help you get up and simulating 13:41 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:47 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@58.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 < lsneff> Are there any projects that have a goal of extracting the state of a brain? 13:52 < kanzure> lsneff: pick your poison, 13:52 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/imagery/Reading%20visually%20embodied%20meaning%20from%20the%20brain:%20visually%20grounded%20computational%20models%20decode%20visual-object%20mental%20imagery%20induced%20by%20written%20text%20-%202015.pdf 13:53 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Designing%20scalable%20biological%20interfaces%20-%20Marblestone.pdf 13:53 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Physical%20principles%20for%20scalable%20neural%20recording%20-%20Marblestone.pdf 13:53 < lsneff> What about destructively? 13:53 < kanzure> another concept is "molecular tickertapes" to record information inside of neurons into DNA molecules in real-time, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/marblestone.stanford.cs379c.04-29-13.pdf 13:54 < kanzure> which somewhat inspired my first patent, https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190284620A1 13:55 < kanzure> for destructively, there's the ken hayworth brain preservation foundation style TEM diamond knife scanning microscopy stuff which 3scan was doing for a while 13:56 < lsneff> Wow, the tickertape thing is very cool 13:56 < kanzure> like this 1990s online group that was doing destructive scanning and uploading of nematode neurons https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/nematodeuploadproject/murg.html 13:57 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 < lsneff> Interesting, did they have any luck 14:00 < kanzure> you may be interested in reading https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/nectome-1517-2018/ 14:02 < kanzure> while we're talking about overpowered cool things, let me show you: 14:02 < kanzure> "High-throughput mapping of long-range neuronal projection using in situ sequencing" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/294637v3 14:05 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@58.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06 < kanzure> oh, that idea is actually included in marblestone's slides 14:08 -!- swarovski_ciel [966cf264@150.108.242.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 < lsneff> Wow, just read that transcript. Incredible 14:13 < lsneff> Makes me feel optimistic 14:18 -!- swarovski_ciel [966cf264@150.108.242.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38 -!- sachy [~sachy@91.146.121.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:45 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-139-157.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:49 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:58 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516320 15:01 < EmmyNoether> More South Korean academics caught naming kids as co-authors | Hacker News 15:01 < kanzure> .title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03371-0 15:01 < EmmyNoether> More South Korean academics caught naming kids as co-authors 15:04 < kanzure> ooh can't have children intruding on SCIENCE, much too important for the little people to get involved in 15:06 < kanzure> ( i guess this applies: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/cryptoeconomic-systems/2019/journals-as-clubs/ ) 15:07 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-cc1d-e98e-9f01-8664.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [] 15:29 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-096b-5ce0-c501-764f.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 < fenn> sounds like they are just putting the patron's kid's names on the paper to have something to boost their resume for getting into university 16:40 < kanzure> yeah and the same might be true for other non-child co-authors 16:41 < fenn> that's standard operating procedure 17:38 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- alf_pogz [~sweaver@pool-100-11-26-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:11 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-096b-5ce0-c501-764f.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-096b-5ce0-c501-764f.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-096b-5ce0-c501-764f.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45 -!- lewlz [~lewlz@2606-a000-4806-e500-096b-5ce0-c501-764f.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 < kanzure> secure enclaves aren't http://tpm.fail/ 19:10 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:49 -!- crockwork [~crockwork@66.205.193.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:58 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@58.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:05 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:07 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:11 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:43 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:45 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:cd7c:b56b:7ce6:1386] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Nov 13 00:00:06 2019