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01:28 < bob_danger> I'm looking for a legit and trustable hacker(s) that I can hire to do something for me. Nothing illegal actually. Can you guys help? Have found myself in quite a situation.
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03:29 < fenn> "GitHub Arctic Code Vault will sweep up every active public GitHub repository, in addition to significant dormant repos as determined by stars, dependencies, and an advisory panel. The snapshot will consist of the HEAD of the default branch of each repository, minus any binaries larger than 100KB in size." https://archiveprogram.github.com/
03:32 < fenn> "The introduction to the archive will include technical guides to QR decoding, file formats, character encodings, and other critical metadata so that the raw data can be converted back into source code for use by others in the future. The archive will also include a Tech Tree--a roadmap and Rosetta Stone for future curious minds inheriting the archive's data."
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03:40 < fenn> john carmack is only able to work on AI at home vs nuclear reactors because AI hasn't yet been regulated into oblivion (and nuclear technology has)
03:41 < fenn> or perhaps i should say "general purpose computing technolgy"
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03:48 < fenn> it's only the atrocious state of manufacturing technology and the absolute dearth of smart people working in the field, that lets carmack get away with such a blatant smackdown on the "just simulate it and give the cad files to a shop" approach
03:49 < fenn> there's one guy who writes machine tool paths for 90% of the software out there that everyone actually uses to make stuff (www.freesteel.co.uk)
04:02 < fenn> it's like you went to an author and said "it's all well and good that you want to write a book on a computer, but you have to eventually get to grips with reality and gather a ragtag band of scribes, smiths, and carpenters, to construct your own printing press"
04:06 < fenn> the problems in this have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of writing (or the engineering of the fancy simulated machine you want to have made)
04:07 < fenn> it's absurd that DARPA only throws a few million dollars every couple years at manufacturing automation
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05:28 < lsneff> fenn: I bet the requirements of automation for off-world manufacturering will eventually trickle back down.
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06:17 < fenn> cue rant about how nasa needs to invest in research for space industrialization
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06:53 < ptrcmd> fenn: is there any possibility that general computing tech can ever be regulated into oblivion?
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06:54 < ptrcmd> computers are everywhere
07:03 < kanzure> fenn: he was right but he was also wrong; he should have done the social-elder thing where he redirects me to a mentor or something more productive.
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07:24 < kanzure> twist bioscience went public?
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08:09 < heath> news to me
08:29 < lsneff> kanzure: I've noticed that many figures like Carmack aren't aware that they have an social obligation to do that.
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08:31 < lsneff> Drexler was the same in a lot of ways, though he wasn't dismissive.
08:36 < kanzure> i wouldn't recognize it as an obligation.. just a clever thing to do...
08:36 < kanzure> like why haven't i thrown you in the garbage can?
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08:44 < lsneff> I ask myself that too often
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08:49 < kanzure> because that would be unproductive
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10:55 < lsneff> .title https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-review-16-cores-on-7nm-with-pcie-40
10:55 < EmmyNoether> The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review: 16 Cores on 7nm with PCIe 4.0
10:55 < lsneff> Impressive stuff, only 105W
10:56 < lsneff> Seems like amd's gamble on chiplets is paying off
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11:18 < lsneff> I'd like to see them start stacking them though, with microfluidics for cooling
11:19 < fenn> how are chiplets connected? wire bonding?
11:19 < lsneff> Believe so
11:21 < lsneff> That being said, it certainly won't be pleasant trying to handle a kilowatt of waste heat in a ~4 cubic inches
11:22 < fenn> yes fluidic cooling has been a long time coming
11:24 < lsneff> You could probably fit a couple thousand cores in a cpu if they were stacked
11:25 < fenn> i've heard of combining multiple dies in a package but i've never heard it referred to as a chiplet before
11:25 < lsneff> chiplets are all the rage these days
11:26 < fenn> a lot of android devices use a ram chip soldered on the back of the SoC
11:26 < fenn> unfortunately this means you're maxed out at 4GB of ram
11:28 < fenn> do these chiplet packages have voids between the layers?
11:30 < lsneff> They don't actually stack chiplets yet, as far as I can tell, so they don't have layers
11:31 < fenn> there is at least one layer that functions as a backplane
11:31 < fenn> the "interposer"
11:31 < lsneff> Oh, well yes
11:31 < lsneff> I have no idea
11:32 < fenn> for cooling, a little known fact is that superconductors have a uniform temperature throughout
11:32 < lsneff> Is that so?
11:32 < lsneff> very odd
11:33 < lsneff> Difficult to put a superconductor on a cpu unless you plan on flooding it with liquid nitrogen, I imagine
11:58 < fenn> it's kinda sad that i'm impressed by a 4.7GHz chip
11:59 < fenn> like "wow it's been 10 years without any significant increase in average clock speed"
11:59 < lsneff> That is sad
12:00 < fenn> why havent cache sizes increased a lot?
12:01 < fenn> since apparently cache misses are the common limit on throughput
12:02 < lsneff> Apparently zen2 has a larger cache than normal
12:02 < lsneff> I think sram is just super expensive
12:02 < fenn> "is just expensive" is not really an explanation
12:03 < lsneff> Fair
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12:04 < lsneff> Well, the need for several layers of cache is in part a bandaid for the von neumann bottleneck
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12:11 < fenn> ok so L3 cache sizes have increased by an order of magnitude over the past decade
12:19 < lsneff> waiting for memristors
12:19 < fenn> lol
12:19 < lsneff> "HP prototyped a crossbar latch memory that can fit 100 gigabits in a square centimeter,[83] and proposed a scalable 3D design (consisting of up to 1000 layers or 1 petabit per cm3)."
12:19 < fenn> you can actually buy intel memristors as "Optane" memory
12:19 < lsneff> density isn't great
12:19 < fenn> but it requires some bogus intel-only chipset thing
12:20 < lsneff> point of memristors was that they have ridiculous storage densities
12:20 < fenn> "requires"
12:20 < lsneff> plus they can do computations
12:22 < lsneff> i thought optane was just some 3d memory thing
12:22 < lsneff> Is it actually memristors?
12:22  * fenn shrugs
12:22 < fenn> ask nmz787 to look at one
12:24 < fenn> "Bit storage is based on a change of bulk resistance, in conjunction with a stackable cross-gridded data access array." sure sounds like a memristor to me
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12:26 < lsneff> you're right, sure does sound like one
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12:47 < jrayhawk> https://pcper.com/2017/06/how-3d-xpoint-phase-change-memory-works/
12:51 < lsneff> looks significantly better than flash in every way
12:53 < lsneff> Would be interesting for a cpu to have 2 additional levels of cache, L4 would be dram, L5 would be pcm
12:53 < lsneff> So, ferrying between them would be handled automatically
12:54 < jrayhawk> Intel's sold XPoint modules that fit into DRAM slots, replacing it altogether.
12:54 < jrayhawk> This requires some special platform support, however.
12:56 < lsneff> The write latency for pcm looks pretty bad compared to dram
12:57 < jrayhawk> https://blocksandfiles.com/2019/07/02/optane-dimm-access-modes/
12:58 < jrayhawk> https://www.extremetech.com/computing/288855-report-optane-dimms-provide-only-modest-performance-improvements
13:03 < fenn> "Optane DIMM capacity is cheaper than DRAM DIMM" {{citation needed}}
13:04 < jrayhawk> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-optane-dimm-pricing-performance,39007.html
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13:16 < fenn> i suppose it depends how many DIMM slots you have available
13:17 < fenn> "Intel also encrypts all data stored on the DIMMs to protect user data." i wonder where the decryption key is stored
13:21 < fenn> you can get 512GB of ram on ebay for $600-3k vs a single optane DIMM at $1700-3k
13:21 < fenn> but the ram will take up 16 slots
13:24 < fenn> similar situation with 128GB but around 4 slots and $300
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14:43 < lsneff> Seems to me like there's no point in encrypting it if the key is also on there somewhere
14:44 < lsneff> Encryptions should be handled by a filesystem or memory subsystem
14:51 < kanzure> "The Nuremberg Code has not been officially accepted as law by any nation or as official ethics guidelines by any association."
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16:52 < kanzure> .title https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6467/777
16:52 < EmmyNoether> CRISPR's unwanted anniversary | Science
17:00 < fenn> now i feel old
17:00 < fenn> how was that a year ago
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