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12:02 < docl> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-02/we-already-have-the-world-s-most-efficient-carbon-capture-technology
12:02 < docl> .title
12:02 < EmmyNoether> Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
12:03 < docl> I'm pretty sure they are off by an order of magnitude. Other sources suggest the real number is 13 tons per acre, not 103.
12:06 < docl> https://paulowniatrees.eu/products/requirements-for-growing-paulownia/
12:06 < docl> .title
12:06 < EmmyNoether> Requirements for growing Paulownia - Paulownia trees
12:07 < docl> links to a pdf that says you can get 90 tons biomass from 1 hectare over 2-3 years if you plant as closely as possible
12:09 < docl> which converts as 12-18 tons biomass per acre/year
12:10 < docl> that said, 10 tons CO2 per acre appears to be reasonable ~ 2.5kg/m^2
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13:21 < justanotheruser> lost to kanzure again https://i.imgur.com/il26Bid.png
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13:42 < darsie> I wonder if empress is better than miscanthus giganteus.
13:43 < darsie> justanotheruser: I'm sick, you could win against me now ;).
13:44 < justanotheruser> did we race before?
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13:44 < darsie> idk
13:46 < darsie> 278 wpm? What's a word? 5 char? That's 23 cps.
13:55 < justanotheruser> pretty sure it's a bot
13:55 < justanotheruser> I looked up the record immediately after, it's under 220
14:05 < docl> darsie: my guess is that under ideal conditions they could be similar, as both use C4 carbon cycle. biomass per year listed on wikipedia for miscanthus is lower than the most optimstic/credible I've seen for paulownia (30-45 T/hectare)
14:06 < docl> (from previous link) http://paulowniatrees.eu/eng/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/EN-PAULOWNIA-FOR-BIOMASS-PRODUCTION.pdf
14:11 < kanzure> justanotheruser: wasn't me. this time.
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14:29 < docl> darsie: reflected sunlight from satellites might be a good way to boost the growth rate for biomass crops like this, allowing closer plantings to grow faster
14:31 < darsie> Bad idea. We don't need that kind of thing. We have to get our planet in order without that.
14:32 < superkuh> docl, have you ever gotten any of that family of trees seeds to germinate? I have tried the last *4* springs and nothing. They're these tiny disk/flakes you sow directly on the soil surface.
14:34 < superkuh> I bought new seeds from a new source this last year.
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14:39 < docl> superkuh: haven't tried to grow them. seedlings are $3.50-$10 here https://worldpaulownia.com/seedling/
14:41 < docl> darsie: it's not strictly needed, but the alternative is to use more land
14:42 < darsie> Or less animal products.
14:43 < darsie> Or fewer ppl.
14:43 < darsie> And we don't even need carbon capture if we live sustainably.
14:44 < darsie> 75 wpm
14:45 < docl> assuming 10 tons CO2 per acre, 2.5 kg/m^2, you could scrub 100 billion tons/year with 40 trillion square meters of land
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14:48 < darsie> How is the .mpress biomass/carbon sequestered? Building houses with wood?
14:48 < docl> yes, houses or whatever there is demand for hardwood for
14:49 < docl> you could even turn it to charcoal and bury it
14:49 < darsie> mhm
14:50 < darsie> Or diamonds :)
14:50 < docl> yeah... I wonder if the energy into making diamond from carbon is a lot more than the amount sequestered
14:52 < darsie> Shouldn't take much volume work and heat can be recycled.
15:03 < darsie> You just typed a quote from the book:      Mastering Computer Typing (1995) :)
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16:00 < nsh> did anyone save/bookmark/etc. that spreadsheet of all the times AI/ML has resulted in hacking the rules or taking advantage of glitches etc to win?
16:00 < nsh> it was really good
16:00 < nsh> i think it was on google drive
16:01 < nsh> google docs, whatever
16:03 < nsh> ah, here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRPiprOaC3HsCf5Tuum8bRfzYUiKLRqJmbOoC-32JorNdfyTiRRsR7Ea5eWtvsWzuxo8bjOxCG84dAg/pubhtml
16:03 < nsh> .t
16:03 < EmmyNoether> Specification gaming examples in AI - master list
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17:45 < maaku> docl: I woudl have thought bamboo would grow faster
17:51 < docl> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6281/62045b86a0bffe4a5db949dafcb98c2b73af.pdf gives 50 T/ha/yr which is 20 T/ac/yr
17:52 < docl> paulownia is slightly under that per the source I found. not sure what the relative carbon ratios are
17:53 < docl> ah, it says bamboo contains 20% fixed carbon. I think it's higher for paulownia
17:55 < docl> .title
17:55 < EmmyNoether> Sorry, page isn't HTML
17:56 < docl> ^Overview of bamboo biomass for energy production (Truong, 2014)
17:56 < docl> This source says paulownia has total carbon 47%:
17:56 < docl> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a172/c056e17266bf53044c0a4ea04f52439a43fb.pdf
17:58 < docl> for which it cites Eggleston et al, 2006
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19:18 < kanzure> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks-legacy.mbox/cypherpunks-legacy.mbox and https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks-legacy/
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