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05:07 < justanotheruser> Is there something like sci-hub for paywalled news sites like ft, wsj, wapo, etc
05:09 < justanotheruser> https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox doesn't always do the trick
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06:00 < kanzure> you will just have to make it
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07:27 < archels> justanotheruser: try archive.is, archive.org
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09:16 < andytoshi> ralph merkle is at Real World Crypto suggesting that we replace committee-based peer review
09:16 < andytoshi> he suggests using a committee-based peer review to vet ideas for its replacement :P
09:16 < andytoshi> he was awarded the levchin prize, this is his acceptance speech, i'm sure it is recorded
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09:23 < kanzure> andytoshi: i think academic peer review is probably screwed. unlike open-source code review, nobody gets any credit for this work nor any compensation. this is unsustainable and the only reason it works is because researchers are beaten into submission by a terrible work-life balance and immense pressure to compete for a limited set of jobs.
09:24 < kanzure> andytoshi: also, the amount of content produced requiring intense peer review is growing at an accelerating rate, outpacing the supply of available volunter labor anyway.
09:25 < kanzure> volunteer
09:25 < andytoshi> curiously, cryptography is very fortunate in that there are practical applications and implementors are forced to do very agressive peer review to avoid their businesses failing
09:25 < andytoshi> also, by being mathematics, in principle there is no problem with replication or ambiguity
09:25 < andytoshi> and yet ... things are wrong all the time
09:26 < kanzure> one way of fixing this to make their lives less miserable is to at least be peer reviewing fun things, instead of tedious and exhausting things
09:26 < andytoshi> that would require a massive reduction in the number of things that try to get published
09:27 < kanzure> *shrug* not everything should be 'published' like that.
09:27 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/cryptoeconomic-systems/2019/journals-as-clubs/
09:29 < kanzure> the other thing i remember seeing is that peer review is actually deeply political and crazy
09:29 < kanzure> what was that peer review site...
09:30 < kanzure> was it pubpeer?
09:32 < kanzure> andytoshi: http://retractionwatch.com/2014/10/26/scientist-sues-pubpeer-commenters-subpoenas-site-for-names/
09:32 < kanzure> example, https://pubpeer.com/publications/D400145518C0A557E9A79F7BB20294
09:32 < kanzure> 06:40 < kanzure> i think pubpeer has a bright future as the 4chan of researcher shitposting
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14:35 < maaku> using committee-based peer review to design a replacement for for committee-based peer review doesn't seem to deserve any snark from me
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14:35 < maaku> you use the best thing you've got to design something better
14:35 < maaku> it's not like the peer reviewers profit from the existing system
14:38 < kanzure> maybe a leech factor, and hoarding accrues you more reviews?
14:39 < kanzure> is the goal to minimize leeching and equalize reviews completed to reviews requested?
14:39 < kanzure> if you have great work nobody really minds a leech
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14:59 < kanzure> southpark on 23andme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5F_AhciUy4
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15:24 < kanzure> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/magazine/gene-drive-mosquitoes.html
15:24 < kanzure> "I asked James if I could see a mosquito carrying a gene drive, and he pointed to one of the buckets. But when I peered in, I couldn't help feeling disappointed. Although I knew that a gene drive wouldn't be visible -- it was just a short stretch of DNA, after all -- the TV-watching part of me had still expected something. Instead, I saw what appeared to be an ordinary mosquito -- ...
15:24 < kanzure> ...which, after a moment, felt almost more alarming."
15:24 < maaku> wtf. this guy is a science reporter?
15:24 < LeoTal> Y'all seen https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/study-claimed-a-gmo-trial-went-horrifically-wrong-the-studys-authors-disagree/ yes?
15:31 < kanzure> i don't understand the concern. they applied a selective pressure on the population and the horror is, what? that they applied a selective pressure on the population?
15:32 < kanzure> i don't think it should be surprising that we are able to find insecticide-resistant insects
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21:03 < fenn> the horror is that science journals are publishing inaccurate and sensationalist headlines?
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